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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:37 PM Original message |
Man opens fire outside California church |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Someone better inform those shooting victims that guns were keeping them safer! |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I'm wondering if it is necessary to leverage the tragedy of folks to make anti-gun snark. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. This sort of event is relevant to the gun debate. |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. well the "gun debate" is never going to lead to people not getting hunting rifles |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
75. Hunting rifles are mostly irrelevant, since 4 out of 5 gun owners are nonhunters. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
76. Well put |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. But... but... California has an assault weapons ban! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. no, you're confused |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Strawman. |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
93. No assault weapon was used in this needless bloody gun-slaughter. |
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matt007 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. only a few more guns in the mix could have saved lives |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yeah, because civilian disarmament works so well? |
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bulloney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. That's why I have a problem with the push to allow college students to pack guns. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
48. Why is it that bird-brained strawman comments like this are ALWAYS made by gun banners |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. maybe if some people in the choir had 45 automatics they could have stopped it all |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. We don't know that firearms would have prevented anything. |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Problem is that the US doesnt ban all guns like most nations so we have mass shootings on a regular |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
109. You think most nations "ban all guns"? |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. How so? Los Angeles is nearly as phobic of legal concealed carry as is... |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
107. Why don't they just outlaw murder? |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yet another example of the "If I can't have you, nobody can." |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. this wouldn't have happened if all those folks had been armed.... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. How soon you forget the Colorado Springs *ATTEMPTED* mass shooting |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Wasn't she a security guard? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. yup, and who gets to pick WHICH private citizen gets to be... |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Apparently... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. She was a former cop with a pistol. She volunteered to be a guard. |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. So she was a security guard. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Sorta |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. no, she wasn't |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
80. She was a parishioner with a CHL and a personally owned Beretta 9mm |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. No, she was not |
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squawk7700 (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. When seconds count, call the police. They can be there in minutes. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. When people start carrying guns to church . . . . . |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Apparently |
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Blaq Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. ...then there will be bitter people clinging to guns and religions |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
97. People who carry guns going to church |
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Popol Vuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nothing like a crime such as this |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Little kids going all Paul Kersey styles happens more often than school, |
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Popol Vuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. "Love of weaponry"? |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
50. Damn fine post n/t. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. No more, nor no less than... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. "geniuses" |
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Popol Vuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. *Sigh* |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. uh ... sure ... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. That's your OPINION, nothing backs it up. |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
91. Or so YOU claim. Prove it. nt |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
72. "Constitution hating"? |
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lanlady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
111. Best. Post. Ever. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
112. Anybody that thinks... |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
86. Never heard about that story....probably some gun nuts' wet dream. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. here, just for you |
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matt007 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
11. BAN GUNS NOW |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. If there is a bad breakup or somebody snaps... |
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matt007 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Of course it doesnt. That doesnt mean make guns ok on campus |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Then what harm will be done? |
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matt007 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. because............. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yeah, that's what keeps being said |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
110. There you go again, |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
92. You have bullets flying all around, and some innocent people will get hurt. |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. That's right, bullets just fly all around |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Dem Party says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms". Are the majority |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
87. No one really believes that nonsense. Democrats have always been for gun control and always |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. What if there is a bad breakup or someone snaps because they failed a class. |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. Damn...I know that church... |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. "KTLA said the suspect and the weapon were taken into custody"???? |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
25. Something similar happened at my college in 2001. |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. Why is this turning into a gun issue instead of a women's health |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I've often wondered the same thing |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. firearms are a women's health issue |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. firearms are a women's health issue |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. ah |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. The folks who want rapists to have a successful career... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. see any of them around here? |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
88. The gun nutz have huge sexual hangups, IMO. Thats why they worship those metal penises. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. SO - females that like firearms have sexual hangups? n/t |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. no, because they are expected to have guns so they don't get 'butt raped'... |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Truly insensitive and disgusting. Immature and intentionally confrontational. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. and they aren't through yet ... |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
81. Wrong answer! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
71. A person without a bunch of axes to grind would say violent crime is a health problem for all people |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. What about the man's obvious MENTAL health problem? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. what about the fact that a man with an obvious mental health problem |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. If his problem had been treated, the firearm wouldn't be a problem |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. when you discover the cure for psychosis |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. There is a cure |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. one thinks one's capacity for surprise has been exhausted |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Don't pretend to be surprised when your misandry leads to a tongue-in-cheek misogynous reply |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. like I said |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
89. Good point. Most gun nuts have serious mental health problems. They are scared of the "boogieman" . |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
34. It sounds like he was using a common hunting rifle |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. The more I see things like this response, |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
42. Amazing how quickly the gun grabbers are to exploit the tragedy for their aims... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. At least they're consistant. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. not to mention the Appalachan Law School shooting... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. And the pearl HS shooting in Mississippi... |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
102. "security guard security guard security guard" |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
108. The fact that this happened in California, with strict gun laws, drives them nuts. nt |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
103. They dance in the blood of the victims... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
70. I was just thinking it was getting past time for another mass shooting in America |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
73. Parole with a Restraining Order Opens Fire? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. interestingly, he didn't seem to care |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You mean, like |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. My thought exactly, but... |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. Another reason we need to bring gun control to the platform again. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Are you able to demonstrate |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. How about a way of helping people with mental health problems |
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Speaker (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #85 |
104. Another reason we need to bring gun control to the platform again. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
105. A few hundred thousand have died BECAUSE you brought bans to the table in '94. |
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