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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:49 PM Original message |
Dad appeals teen son's circumcision to U.S. Supreme Court |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. If he'd wait until his kid turned 18 in 5 years, it would be a moot point. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. No zeal like that of the convert |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I don't roll on Shabbos! nt |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. DUDE! |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Is this your homework, Larry? |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. I Think It Should Be Up To The Kid |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. I much prefer uncut |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
75. Hmmm, most of the world's men are "uncut". |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. 13 is plenty old enough to decide for himself. The others should butt the fuck out |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. The case began winding its way through the courts when he was 9 |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I'd have let him decide at 9. I mean go along with whatever he wanted then. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Would you have let him smoke and drink liquor as well? nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Apples and oranges |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Oh come on, you don't see the difference between those? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. How about chopping off his earlobes? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Look |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. If all three don't agree (both parents and child), then wait til he's adult, I say. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I believe the father is the one with custody, not the mother. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. She's still a parent, custody or not. You don't lose parental rights when you don't have custody. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Actually, you DO lose parental rights when you don't have custody. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Not true. Parental rights and custody are two different things. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. No, you don't. In order to lose parental rights, the state must issue a paper... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. Under Oregon law, the noncustodial parent does lose the right to make medical decisions |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I see. That would be different. But I wouldn't consider circumcision a strictly medical decision.. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I too am disturbed about the religious aspects of the case |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. If we can't smoke peyote as part of a religion, why can we cut off a piece of another person's body? |
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World. nt |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Sure seems that way. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. If the kid wants it then the kid wants it |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It doesn't sound like the kid wants it. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. If he doesn't want it most synogogues won't let him get it |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. the father has custody |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
83. No, the pont of the bar mitzvah is not that one chooses |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. If the kid wants it, then he is exercising his *own* religious beliefs. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Thank you! |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. his name is mescalito |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
81. Read the Opinion (post #63) the Father has the right ot make this decision |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. At 13 It Should Be The Kids Decision nt |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. Isn't the Supreme Court too busy to be dickin' around? |
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LawSchoolLiberal (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. LOL! n/t |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Lol - In Judaism 13 is the age of adulthood |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
92. hell no. not only are most of them pricks, |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. This tops it for me..circumcised via the SCOTUS..yuck |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. If he just wanted to touch |
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ann_american2004 (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. Ummmm...ouch |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
24. Leave the boys dick alone. Damn these idiots. |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. The Best Post Yet! |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. It is only the Naked Ape that... |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Love that argument. It's only us that have sex for pleasure and not simply procreation. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Bonobo chimps |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Why don't you look up bonobos on the internets. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. horny monkrys! |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 05:27 AM Response to Reply #74 |
85. IF your "Argument" (never heard of one called that before)... |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. It hurts |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Ditto |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
80. Read the Opinion (post #63) the Father did win |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
105. Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah . . . |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
27. How is not cutting up his son infringing on dear ole dad's religious |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Exactly. It's like saying I'm exercising my religious freedom by marrying off my 14 y-o child. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Why bother marrying her off? Just sell her like they did in the Old Testament. nt |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. This should not be allowed. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. The dad should feel free to fold, spindle or mutilate his own penis. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I don't think it is the only religion that practices this. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Muhammad Adopted A Lot Of The Jewish Law In The Hope They Would Convert |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
100. It's a form a cleanliness only if you believe the body is unclean. Most people bathe, so |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Same as several others. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I'm not so sure about Koreans |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. Is this really what our Supreme Court is about?...I hear John Jay |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. According to the Jewish religion, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
40. "HIS right???" What about his son's right to remain intact??? Go MOM . . . |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. Oi Veh. 13 is really old, he may suffer permanent nerve damage. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
45. I love how this thread has turned into a fight over whether circumcision should be allowed. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Since when did teenagers get to consent to cosmetic surgery? |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. In Judiasm, 13 is "of age", is it not? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Since when did religious requirements have the slightest thing to do with the law? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
47. It should be up to the boy... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
53. Anyone ever seen a circumcision? During a brief stint in nursing school |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. My son had it done the day after he was born. Didn't even cry. Didn't even notice it going on. |
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GCP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Maybe he was one of the lucky ones who got anesthesia |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Usually that's shock. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Shock that he didn't even so much as blink? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. That doesn't make a damned bit of sense. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
107. "had it done"!? YOU had it done to him! n/t |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. I think we should go the way of most European countries and just not do it. It's unnecessary. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
63. Here is the decision, dated from January 2008 NOT May 2008 |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
64. If that is a serious religious believe, do women should go under mutilation too? |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Male circumcision seems to have some benefits, female circumcision has none. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Religions are purely human fabrications; purely a product of human belief. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. The high rates of HIV is the US refusal to provide clean needles |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. What about the higher rates of other sexually transmitted diseases? |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. The only sexual disease I have read about recently has been Syphilis |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:40 AM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Thanks for the info... one note: |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. The papers I read use the term "Semitic" not Jew |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Ah sorry phrasing was a little confusing |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Why settle for 60%? |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. It is a 60% REDUCTION in transmission rate |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. I fully appreciate the point you are . . . |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
77. I still dont get this. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Read the opinion, cited above (Post #63) . The issue is did the Child Consent ? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
84. What does the kid want? If he's |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
87. Forever fuck up the boy's sex life? What sort of father... |
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raebrek (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
90. I think it is just parents arguing with a child caught in the middle n/t |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. A rather simplistic and unsatisfactory explanation that... |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
104. Oh, man. This is just ugly. |
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UnSantorum (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Calling all Rabbis |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
108. Regardless of what happens legally |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
109. Too bad Johnny Cochrane isn't still alive: If he has a foreskin, it needs cuttin'.'' |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
110. I had a friend who had this done at 12 and he said it hurt like a mother fucker |
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