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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 07:54 AM
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Brzezinski signed off on PNAC in support of American hegemony
and for the last few years has had an attitude of "OMG, what have I done?"
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:17 AM
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1. Bingo.
Zbiggie is neocon lite. Hell, he should be mad they stole his shit. Rebuilding America's Defenses is basically a ripoff of Zbig's Grand Chessboard, from controlling energy supply and chokepoints, all the way down to the Pearl Harbor catalyzing event. Zbiggie is just mad the neocons are carrying out the plans poorly.
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:59 AM
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2. Double Bingo!! Few people on this site realize Brezezinski's The Grand Chessboard, ...
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 12:03 PM by CRH
1997, was used as cliff notes for the PNAC aspirations. There was not one original thought in the PNAC documents, their plans were in total a rip-off of Brezezinski's 'geostrategic imperatives'. From thoughts of domination through economic and military hegemony, to managing Eurasia (like it was our lone superpower right), the arrogance that is solely attributed to Bush and the neo cons first found forum in "The Grand Chessboard".

From page 40 a quote that says it all ...

~~In brief, for the United States, Eurasian geostrategy involves the purposeful management of geostrategically dynamic states and the careful handling of geopolitically catalytic states, in keeping with the twin interests of America in the short term preservation of its unique global power and in the long-run transformation of it into increasing institutionalized global cooperation. To put it in a terminology that hearkens back to a more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep the tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. ~~

It is the savage bungling of his master plan and the means of implementation he speaks against, not the imperial hegemonic goals of control of the resources and economic wealth of the world.

edit: to correct punction
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:19 AM
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5. Elsewhere in the book
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 07:22 AM by Gman
I got the impression that B saw the European Union as the biggest threat to US hegemony. But being the cowards that they are, the neocons knew better than to pick on Europe. Instead, just like the cowards they are, they stand at a safe distance and hurl insults as they did with France and Germany in the runup to this war. ("old Europe", "cheese eating surrender monkeys")

I agree that B is distressed that the strategy he outlined in the book has been so bastardized. B intended American hegemony to be preserved through a combination of diplomacy, economic trade policy and military might, if necessary. The neocons left the first two out and went straight to military might.
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:13 PM
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6. Agree with your last paragraph completely, ...
In the Chessboard Brezezinski stated the neither Russia or China alone could challenge the US lone super power standing, but the danger of collusion should the two find common interests could be formidable. My impression was that Europe could be handled and directed through economic carrot and stick influence as well as shaping their interests through common need, (i.e. future eurasian energy sources and security dependence), and through the NATO alliance. A year later the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia occurred, followed with a US led NATO coalition with some grumbling, but no real detractors. In effect whether caused by the civil wars or other instigations, the baltic states turmoil played right into the master plan of isolating Russia while picking off the buffer zone countries, and with the added benefit of the corporate globalization of the resources and societies, not to mention forward reaching military installations.

Excerpt page 84 (Chessboard)

~~ In any case, it ought to be axiomatic that Europe's political unity and security are indivisible. As a practical matter, in fact it is difficult to conceive of a truly united Europe without common security arrangement with America. It follows, therefore, that states that are in a position to begin and are invited to undertake accession talks with the EU should automatically also be viewed henceforth as a subject in effect to NATO's presumptive protection.

Accordingly, the process of widening Europe and enlarging the transatlantic security system is likely to move forward by deliberate stages. Assuming sustained American and Western European commitment, a speculative but cautiously realistic timetable for these stages might be the following:

1. By 1999, the first new Central European members will have been admitted into NATO, though their entry into the EU will probably not happen before 2002 or 2003.

2. In the meantime, the EU will initiate accession talks with the Baltic republics, and NATO will likewise begin to move forward on the issue of their membership as well as Romania's, with their accession likely to be completed by 2005. At some point in this stage, the other Balkan states may like wise become eligible. ~~

end excerpt:

It helps to keep in mind that during the writing of this book, Russia was in the process of being looted of half a trillion dollars fomenting further economic collapse, and further isolating the former superpower, while the buffer states in Central Europe are by plan being folded into NATO influence, ( first the weaponry), and then the later plan of privatizing and globalizing the economies, ( the economic subjugation). The latter, the effective liberation of resources and labor from the nation states purview when privatized into the global market, and then hamstringing national economies with the various debt instruments used toward eventual economic subjugation, i.e. the World Bank , IMF, the usual culprits.

Europe is mostly treated as an assumed inferior partner in the organization and utilization of the master global plan of controlling and distributing the resources and wealth of Eurasia. Unfortunately for these imperialistic partners, the folks that inhabit the middle east resources, are terribly resistant to others' plans for their homelands, cultures, and economies. Hell of a thing, being born on top of all that black industrial gold. Leaves the people in the position of seeming antagonistic when they won't give it away to the more 'civilized' industrial societies of the first world.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:04 PM
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3. I believe people CAN Learn from their mistakes and he is one of them.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 02:25 PM
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4. Who? The big Zbig?
The person openly calling for ruling the entire planet via USA? Who is more megalomaniac him or Bush?

He just doesn't like that the PNACers poorly executed what he had in mind. Watch him sqeal as Russia, India and China unite to control the Eurasia.
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