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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:45 PM
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Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death
Source: Associated Press Writer

RALEIGH, N.C. - Ruth Graham, the ailing wife of evangelist Billy Graham, fell into a coma Wednesday morning and appears to be close to death, a family spokesman said. "She appears to be entering the final stages of life," said Larry Ross, Graham's personal spokesman.

The news came the same day Billy Graham said he and Ruth will be buried at the recently dedicated Billy Graham Library in Charlotte. In a statement, Graham said his 87-year-old wife, who has degenerative osteoarthritis of the back and neck and has been bedridden at their home in the mountains of western North Carolina for some time, "is close to going home to heaven."

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Billy Graham is not a Falwell or Robinson or Dobson.....Billy Graham has a real heart one that is what Jesus would be pleased with. Billy also is a Democrat.....Keep the Graham family in your thoughts tonight.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070613/ap_on_re_us/billy_graham_burial
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:49 PM
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1. Billy A Democrat?
Are you sure?
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:52 PM
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2. Actually he is
He has been one most, if not all, of his life.
His son is supposedly a republikkan though.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:52 PM
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10. Here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8326362/

Interview with Katie Couric.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:06 PM
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3. expect him, at his age, to be next. very sad.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:29 PM
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33. "Widowhood effect"
Statistically the deck is stacked against him for the next month or two.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:07 PM
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4. Partyt affiliation doesn't matter here
The reverend Graham and his family have my deepest sympathies. His son is a big time fundalmentalist but I still grieve for him as well. After all, it can't be easy losing your mother in this manner.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:04 AM
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28. classy
:thumbsup:

My sympathies are w/ them regardless of party affiliation as well.

But I will acknowledge that I've always like Rev. Graham.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:06 PM
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35. Wow! I think you are the first person here to call me classy
Thank you.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:26 PM
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5. Our thoughts go out to the Graham family
And No party affiliation does not matter, it never has here at DU.

But I also do believe that I have heard several times that though Billy Graham has been friends with nearly every President since Truman that he is a Democrat.

He is the one evangelist that is tolerable in this country and actually refreshing even at his age.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:04 PM
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7. with the exception of GWB. I am not kidding;
look it up.

The man has avoided the WH since the selection, and to my knowledge, did not attend the first inauguration.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:12 PM
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8. I have heard that many times.
Billy isn't radical enough for the bu$h tribe
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:48 PM
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6. I don't know where Ruth and Bill went wrong with their son
but I respect the two of them very much.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:51 AM
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12. I agree, but we have to realize sometimes...
possession occurs.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/12/AR2006121201338.html - a must read about Franklin's audacity!

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- top 08 designs
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:38 PM
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34. I have known preacher's kids the same way. Franklin Graham is
an extremist. He was awful as a marauder and he's awful as a preacher. He will never find the middle ground.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:19 PM
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9. All my sympathy
to the Graham family
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Speaker Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:17 AM
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11. Billy Graham is the only televangelist I ever liked.
The rest of them are all scumbags.

I think Billy was the only one who actually believed what he preached.

My thoughts with the family.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:07 AM
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13. truth to power, truth to power......
I pray a new man of faith comes along like him in my lifetime, that just transcends what these other hacks (joel osteen, rod parsley) try and do.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:00 AM
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26. or respected.
My heart is with him and his family.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:37 AM
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14. prayers and thougths about Billy's ministry

Reverend Billy Graham is the only absolute real deal I've ever seen. I am referring to the television evangelists. As a young child and throughout my life, I'd always watched his crusades with interest and excitement.

I see Jesus 'in' him and he shines that light, and his words are love incarnate led by the Holy Spirit, springing directly forth from his hope in the promised salvation given to us by grace, through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

He doesn't preach about ascertaining wealth like many of them do, and he lives rather modestly in his long time residence. He doesn't belittle with his words by speaking incendiary sound bites to breed contempt of select groups of God's children that so many televangelists employ against abortion rights activists, peace marchers, GLBT community, etc. And mostly, his ability to speak with discernment and humility are a blessing and it is an honor to him before God, and I feel for him in this challenging time.


He is the epitome of a preacher who will come to the aid and prayer of gov't leaders without being political and instead speaking the truth of the Beatitudes, as poverty is a great concern to him. I always liked that about the elder Graham, he truly cares about the well being of all of God's children, especially the poor and downtrodden and will take action with those in power to bring the message of God's will to help shape compassionate decisions. He is a modern day hero who led an amazingly effective ministry in spreading the good news of Christ's promise, and why I effuse such love for him and his wife. It is unforunate, and a strong sign, that this current president, did not have him in attendance at his selection ceremony in 2001.

I hope everyone will send up a prayer for Ruth, who is quite witty, and once said about being ill, 'Being flat on my back gives me plenty of time to pray for you.'

Billy may not fully agree with what many of us believe here, but he is a far cry from the vile words of Robertson/Falwell types that blamed gays for 9/11. He is a loving man who believes gay people too are made in God's image, that is touching to me, because I genuinely respect him for leading many to my Savior.

Just my two cents, I'm not trying to proselytize anyone, it just makes me feel for him knowing he's losing his wife, and I think him to be a very compassionate and true person regardless if we don't agree 100%.

God bless Billy & Ruth Graham.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:54 AM
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15. Kick.
:kick:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:54 AM
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16. Graham: Wife To Be Buried In Charlotte
Source: WP

Thursday, June 14, 2007; A12

With his wife, Ruth Bell Graham, in a coma at home in western North Carolina, the Rev. Billy Graham announced yesterday that she will be buried in the city of Charlotte and not in her beloved mountains at the site she said she favored as recently as a week and a half ago.

(snip)

The burial site has been a matter of contention for months, threatening to break apart the country's most famous Christian family. A Washington Post story in December revealed that son Franklin Graham, chief executive officer of the BGEA, had told potential donors that he planned to bury his parents at the Billy Graham Library in Charlotte.

Two of the other four Graham children, Ned Graham and Anne Graham Lotz, objected, as did Ruth, who called the library, a Disney-like building in the shape of a barn, "a circus." In the presence of six witnesses, including Ned, a neuroscientist and a Graham employee, Ruth signed a notarized statement saying she wished to be buried in a memorial garden at the Cove, a mountain retreat center that she and Billy built about 20 years ago.

Originally, she and Billy wanted to be buried there, the document said, and "under no circumstances am I to be buried in Charlotte, N.C."

(snip)

According to Ross, Ruth Graham has been alternately conscious and unconscious for a while. Earlier this week, with a doctor's approval, Billy and several of the children, including Franklin, decided to withdraw the solids and liquids from her feeding tube, Ross said.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/13/AR2007061301447.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&sub=AR



Something strange going on.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:54 AM
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17. I can't imagine Billy Graham doing something underhanded. I wonder what happened.
I'm not going to speculate and wait for the story to break.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:55 AM
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18. The decision is ultimately the family's, but....
I wonder why the would blatantly go against her reported wishes? Weird.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:55 AM
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19. Who give's a rat's ass???
I could care less where this hypocrite's wife ends up. I could care less where I end up. What a none story this is. Let graham die and rot where the rest of the religious hypocrites go...to hell, the most of them!
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:58 AM
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25. Well, for starters, those of us who know how to write in English.
Your theology and attitude are worse than your abuse of the English language, though the latter is pretty egregious.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:17 PM
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29. That's both rude AND ignorant.
You don't have the first idea what you're talking about. First, calling Billy Graham is hypocrite ... I've met the man, and he IS the real deal. Sincere, genuine, and authentic. There's not an egotistical or hypocritical bone in his body, and I challenge you to find a shred of scandal in his history.

I suspect your statement simply reflects a view that ALL religious persons are hypocrites, and if that's true, you've slammed a large segment of Democratic Underground. I wouldn't think a newbie would be quite so prone to that.

Learn some manners and come back when you can behave like a decent human being.

Bake
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:24 PM
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30. Nobody cares? That explains the thread participation. (nt)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:18 PM
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36. Good god
Did find a giant rat turd in your oatmeal this morning or are you always just an asshole?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:55 AM
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20. Where's Randall Terry?
Shouldn't he be gathering his minions to demand the feeding tube be reinserted?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:55 AM
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21. They are withholding food and water?
Somebody call Dr. Frist, convene a special session of congress and call out the right to lifers!
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:55 AM
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22. Time for Congress to intervene! n/t
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:04 PM
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32. When someone is approaching the end of their life,
continuing with the PICC tube can actually hasten death.

At the end of life, people aren't hungry and the resulting stress on the body to digest the foods can actually bring death about more quickly.

It does sound contrary to what we would think and when I was at MSK with my brother when the GI pulled the tube on my dying sister in law, I felt that she die almost immediately. In fact, she lasted for 7 more weeks.
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wageslave71 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:22 AM
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23. Was it Billy or Franklin ?
who called the re-election of Bush in '04 "God's answer to prayer"? The story was front page of the Charlotte Observer within a couple days of the election. Of course, I didn't read it but my father and I both remember it.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:01 AM
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24. Franklin, doubtless
Though Billy hasn't specifically criticized Bush, there has been no love lost between them since, oh, about 1980.

Billy is a genuinely interesting fellow and he has grown in wisdom through the years. Franklin is a run-of-the-mill culture warrior who has a long way to go before even being able to imitate his father, let alone bear his mantle.

--p!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:03 AM
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27. I also read that Billy was in a coma yesterday somewhere. Guess this
was a mistake and actually his wife?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:48 PM
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31. Billy Graham is very close with Bill Clinton.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 01:49 PM by Drunken Irishman
During the whole mess in 1998, Graham stood by him and never once demanding Clinton resign. That ticked off a lot on the right, because they thought Graham would use his position to shame Clinton, which he did not do.

Then there was a rally Graham had in New York and both Bill and Hillary attended. This is what Graham had to say about them both:

"I told President Clinton that when he left office, he should be
an evangelist because he has all the right gifts for it, and he should
leave his wife to run the country."


This from an article slamming Graham (from an Evangelist) about this statement.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45083

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