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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:00 AM
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Kennedy: Justice firings are keyed to '08 vote
Source: Boston Globe

Kennedy: Justice firings are keyed to '08 vote
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | March 29, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy yesterday accused President Bush of using the Department of Justice to further his administration's "right-wing ideology," saying that veteran prosecutors were replaced by political operatives in key states to ensure that "reliable partisans" are in place in time for the 2008 presidential election.

Kennedy noted that the recent rash of firings among US attorneys put new top prosecutors in place in several presidential swing states, including Florida, Iowa, New Mexico, Minnesota, and Arkansas.

At least two of the eight US attorneys fired by the administration refused to investigate spurious claims of voter fraud that were initiated by Republicans, Kennedy said. Two of the new US attorneys, meanwhile, had documented records of pursuing GOP goals, one as a Justice Department official and the other as a top aide to White House political adviser Karl Rove, he said.

"The administration views our system of justice as merely another arena for furthering its right-wing ideology," Kennedy said in a speech at the National Press Club. "The conclusion is inescapable that the administration has methodically placed reliable partisans in positions where they can influence the outcome of the 2008 election."



Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/03/29/kennedy_justice_firings_are_keyed_to_08_vote/
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:07 AM
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1. This has been Shrubs ploy from day uno , infiltrate ,intimidate and
Castigate.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:17 AM
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2. recommend
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:20 AM
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3. The Dems need to WAKE UP about election theft on a much larger scale
than a few justices going after a few Dem voters. When the RNC web host is getting contracts from repervlikin Secretaries of State to count the votes, there are MILLIONS of votes that can be switched with the stroke of a key.

Dems need to LOCK DOWN these holes in our Democracy, and start taking this threat a helluva lot more seriously than they do.

:kick::kick::kick:
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:40 AM
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4. How true , in way's Dem's have been Shrubs biggest enablers!
And 06 could of been a ploy to lull us in to a false sense of 'fair play' that extinct species.Votes are more important than currency ,if we can sell lottery tickets at nano speed and razor accuracy we should have the technology to ensure our Democracy.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:53 AM
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13. I'm concerned, too about the '06 election lulling Dems into a false sense of security
I keep watching the investigations going on in congress now, and DUers being so excited about it all, but it just makes me shake my head. It can all go up in a puff of smoke in 2008 if something isn't done about computerized secret vote counting code. Rove & Co. made a simple mistake of not stealing enough votes in '06, and you can bet on it, they don't plan to make that mistake again.

Scientists at the AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) convention in San Francisco in February showed, with statistics and mathematics and amazing analysis, that, had the elections NOT been gerrymandered in 2006, the Dems would have taken +/- 20 MORE SEATS than they did. But the Dems on the hill just do. not. get it.

And Dr. Dean, who DOES get it, catches nothing but flack from the party big shots. Go figure!

:kick::kick::kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:10 AM
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22. What scientists at the AAAS? Is this a myth?
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 09:11 AM by L. Coyote
I'd like to know about this.

Consider instead that the 2006 election was more honest than 2004, hence the Dem win and the will of the People prevailed. If this is studied by a scientist, and that has not been done yet, it will show that, in Ohio at least, the new Diebold e-voting was a solution to a really bad problem, vote-switching of punch card voting.

OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x259620
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:46 AM
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24. I was there, Coyote. They had a forum at the convention
and the name of the forum was "Are We A Democracy Yet?" There was a panel of 5 or 6 scientists, from all different disciplines, with their charts and graphs and such, and they had concluded that there was NO WAY, short of election fraud, that the Dems didn't take another +/- 20 seats. They discussed the different races that showed major discrepancies between official tallies and every other type of variable involved (massive over or under votes in certain precincts, more votes tallied than residents of the counties, etc.).

It was a really good forum.

:kick::kick::kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:04 AM
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25. Did they rely on telephone polling to substitute for exit polls?
There are some very large questions about the margin of error in that work. Hopefully, they will test that data better. Meanwhile, there is plenty of data to study w/o margins of error so huge, the actual voting!!
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:49 PM
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28. Loudsue, Do you have a link to the AAAS study?
I don't doubt your veracity; but, I'd like to see how they arrived at their conclusion.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:58 AM
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19. INDEED. And they seem to be taking action now. First, you have to
be in a position of power to do something. 2006 made THE huge difference.

Regarding the RNC hosting, you may want to look closer at the issue. The "millions" of votes is a misperception, and that seems a ratf__ker floater to distract from the real issues, esp. Abramoff, et.al.-felons using the accounts to conduct illegalities with the White House. See:

Email-Gate FACTS: Felons, georgewbush.com, gwb43.com , et. al.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978

Also, the votes were switched before they were reported. That's why the recounts made no difference. See:

OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x259620

This issue should come up when Bob Bennett is dragged before the bar:

Cuyahoga Co. Elections Director Resigns (OH)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2719564
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:00 AM
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20. DLC gang needed the losses in 2000, 2002 and 2004 to continue their argument
that the party had to keep moving right to win.

If election fraud was actually dealt with and COUNTERED, then Democratic candidates would win because the VOTE PROCESS was secured by the Dem party and their votes were cast and COUNTED.

Those running the DLC in 2000, 2002, and 2004 were certainly LAX in confronting the election fraud tactics of the RNC.

I think in 2006 the RNC was too nervous about attempting to pull off another threat with so many Dem activists and a DNC chair like Dean looking more closely for fraud.

Could be why after 2006, Carville and the Clinton gang wanted Dean to go - they live in their own world of powertrading and want to control what happens.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:56 PM
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38. AMEN!!!!
:kick:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:42 AM
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5. I impressed, very impressed, that Kennedy is talking about this -
He should be, for sure, and so should other Dems - but the big Dems have had their heads so deep in the sand for so long about GOP manipulation of elections (before, during, and after) that I am impressed that Senator Kennedy is speaking out on this.

Perhaps Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is having a good effect on his uncle? :D

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:10 AM
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6. God Bless R.F.K. J.r
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:47 AM
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18. Seconded (n/t)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:13 AM
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7. I agree
I am so happy to see that a big time Senator is on this... it's funny in a way, it seems that one of the 50 dem senators or one of the 10 or so decent rep senators always bring up what the other 40 rep and 1 dem senator we can't trust WON'T mention! thanks Ted!

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff!
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 02:21 PM
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31. Ted Kennedy is truly a populist.
He can afford to call for honest voting, unlike the corporatist Dems who stand to ultimately lose their jobs.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:16 AM
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8. Being cynical, the attorneys are installed and can't be and won't be removed.
Congress can hold hearings, get sworn testimony, make plans for potential charges of perjury, hold the * Administration up to the public for judgment. But the attorneys are still in place for the 2008 elections.

Now what? Do they have that much influence toward the outcomes?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 04:53 AM
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43. well, when a Dem is elected--------In comes his/her choice.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:21 AM
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9. So the fix is in.
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 06:22 AM by Cobalt Violet
Is there anything we can do?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:23 AM
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10. I hope no one is surprised at this
that's how revolutions work. This is right in line with solidifying power gained during the Great Conservative Revolution of 2000, the so-called permanent majority. 2000 was a coup and that's not hyperbole or rhetoric. It is the truth. 2000 was more than just a stolen election. It was an actual coup de etat.

Since 2001 I've said these people stole a United States Presidential election. They are then, by definition, capable and willing to do literally anything to keep power. This is why I ws so shocked that Democrats were allowed to win back Congress.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:24 AM
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11. Very interesting related stories/links...
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 06:32 AM by WePurrsevere
I ran across these stories on DU (links to DU threads are provided after snippets) but here are the direct links and snippets. :)

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/19/carol-lam-white-house/
Was Carol Lam Targeting The White House Prior To Her Firing?

Referring to the Bush administration’s purge of former San Diego-based U.S. attorney Carol Lam, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) questioned recently on the Senate floor whether she was let go because she was “about to investigate other people who were politically powerful.”
<snip>
To recap, the White House awarded a one-month, $140,000 contract to an individual who never held a federal contract. Two weeks after he got paid, that same contractor used a cashier’s check for exactly that amount to buy a boat for a now-imprisoned congressman at a price that the congressman had pre-negotiated.

That should raise questions about the White House’s involvement.

Discussion on DU here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3186822

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rich29mar29,0,1507657.story?coll=la-home-commentary
Bush's long history of tilting Justice
The administration began skewing federal law enforcement before the current U.S. attorney scandal, says a former Department of Justice lawyer.
~*~
THE SCANDAL unfolding around the firing of eight U.S. attorneys compels the conclusion that the Bush administration has rewarded loyalty over all else. A destructive pattern of partisan political actions at the Justice Department started long before this incident, however, as those of us who worked in its civil rights division can attest.

I spent more than 35 years in the department enforcing federal civil rights laws — particularly voting rights. Before leaving in 2005, I worked for attorneys general with dramatically different political philosophies — from John Mitchell to Ed Meese to Janet Reno. Regardless of the administration, the political appointees had respect for the experience and judgment of longtime civil servants.

Under the Bush administration, however, all that changed. Over the last six years, this Justice Department has ignored the advice of its staff and skewed aspects of law enforcement in ways that clearly were intended to influence the outcome of elections.

It has notably shirked its legal responsibility to protect voting rights. From 2001 to 2006, no voting discrimination cases were brought on behalf of African American or Native American voters. U.S. attorneys were told instead to give priority to voter fraud cases, which, when coupled with the strong support for voter ID laws, indicated an intent to depress voter turnout in minority and poor communities.
(more at the link above)

DU discussion here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=529923

The :drip: :drip: :drip: has turned into a major downpour. :D

I guess Neo-Cons never were taught this one eh?
"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott)

and since BushCo seem to like to claim how they believe in the Bible how about this one:
Proverbs 6:16-19 says, "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:48 AM
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12. Great quote! Some of those crotchety old patriarchs had a way with words! nt
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 06:11 AM
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44. Thanks... that one really is timeless isn't it? It was ingrained in my head
as a child by my parents, my DH said his mother did much the same thing, my DD's learned the same saying from me and I have a feeling they will teach it to their children. Truly sage words never really go out of style. :)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:44 AM
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17. I can't wait to hear one of the Congresspeople ask about that $140K
contract. Where are the receipts for the furniture and equipment? Photos? Inventory numbers (all of that would be inventoried)?

Let's see the goods!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:59 AM
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14. Not against Kennedy but this is a Big DUHHHHH
When Rove put one of his right hand men into Ark. and Hillary is running .... There would be only one logical reason Rove would do this.
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Bukowski Fan Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 07:19 AM
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15. I think it's a big DUH for us
But for the mainstream, there's been ABSOLUTELY NO reporting on ANYTHING to this affect. I'm actually quite impressed that Kennedy is bringing this up. I hope to see some more coverage of this, since this is the real underlying crime.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:38 PM
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36. Exactly - and I'm so glad Kennedy said it out loud
and I too hope it gets more coverage. The "mainstream" doesn't have a clue about this type of thing, and people like Kennedy get press coverage - we need more like him to get this out there.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 08:35 AM
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16. Ted ("Mr. Truthteller") Kennedy strikes again!
Even I didn't see this. And I tend to think that election fraud is the key to EVERYTHING. (I mean, what else can you think, with rightwing Bushite corporations "counting" all the votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code?). But I hadn't quite put this one together. That CONTINUED election fraud is going to need MASSIVE legal cover, and that means US Attorneys WILLING to cover it up. Refusing to prosecute it. Refusing to SEE it. Because that's the only career path open to them--lies and deceit.

Wow.

Really, I was thinking of other Bushcon crimes--as the reason for the US Attorney purge. There are so many crimes. But--even though there were indications that this was the purpose (for instance, the pressure on them to pursue cases of "voter fraud" for which there was no evidence)--I just didn't see THIS: fired up voters and candidates in '08 in revolt against Bushcon election fraud (the "trade secret" programming, 'disappearing' of tens of thousands of Democratic votes, purges of black and other minority voters), and gathering evidence and filing lawsuits, en masse, and needing US Attorneys to pursue this democracy-killing crime....and the justice system just evaporates, because it's been packed with Bushcons.

My profound thanks to Senator Kennedy for pointing this out.

---------------------

Someone upthread suggested that Diebold/ES&S "permitted" Democrats to win the '06 elections, in order to lull us into complacency. I don't think that's what happened. I think the voters OUTVOTED the machines, in many cases. By my guestimate (and that of others), Diebold/ES&S is placing a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushcons, warmongers and corporatists (and not all of them Republicans), in the primaries (who gets to run) and the general elections (who wins). But they can't just concoct a false win out of whole cloth. And they can't be too obvious about it (--although there is one instance I know of, in which they WERE obvious--the Ohio election reform initiatives in '05 were flipped from predicted 60/40 wins into 40/60 losses on election day). Given the handicap on true representatives of the people, it took Dean's "50 state strategy," great grass roots activism, and the fury of the American people, to make it possible to outvote the machines. But the vote didn't accurately represent the voters' mandate for change, and thus, we have 75% of the American people opposed to the Iraq War and wanting it ended, but we could only achieve a 50/50 Congress. Part of this is because only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection. But where it really comes into play is in the House. The Democrats likely won more like 50 seats (rather than 30), and more antiwar candidates probably won, in reality, but lost to Diebold/ES&S. And if the House was truly constituted, as a representative body--if the vote counting had been transparent--the House would have had a lot more clout in dealing with the dinosaurs--the Bushcon remnants--in the Senate.

Caveat: It's a mistake to presume that Diebold/ES&S is all powerful. We CAN outvote them. This is very important to know. And it makes sense. They don't want to imperil their power to determine the outcome of our elections. So they have to be careful just how much they twiddle the vote, and where. Do they have good cover (dishonest election officials and secretaries of state)? Do they have a Bushcon US Attorney in place? (!!). Is there an independent newspaper in town, or a strong public advocacy group? Is it an overwhelmingly Democratic area? (--has to be written off; a flip would be too noticeable). What can they get away with, and where, and when?

They went all out in '04, and they just flipped it over for Bush--which TruthIsAll and other statistical analysts caught them at (the unexplainable exit poll discrepancy). The stakes were so high, they took the risk (in the confidence that the war profiteering corporate news monopolies--and corrupt Democrats--would cover it up.) But, in this respect--the limits on Diebold/ES&S fraud--it's interesting what happened in California. John Kerry won the state in '04 with a 10% margin. But Barbara Boxer, running for Senate, won by a 20% margin. This oddity might be explainable by her incumbency, or because she is a woman, or by some coolness on the left toward Kerry--except that the difference between Kerry and Boxer occurs only in Republicon-controlled counties. Go figure.

My surmise: A Kerry loss of California would not have been plausible. But what they COULD do, with impunity, was shave votes off from him, in Republicon-controlled counties, to help manufacture and pad Bush's national popular majority. But a similar con on the Boxer vote would have made the whole thing too noticeable. They wrote her off as a loss (too popular). And there was another possible factor*: her opponent was a potential Schwarzenegger rival; Schwarz is the only Con who can hamper the left, and protect Bush Cartel and other Global Corporate Predator interests, in Calif.; if her opponent--Bill Jones--had done well against Boxer--he could have been a threat to those interests in the future, by diluting/dividing Schwarz's support--so they left Boxer alone, and just stole votes from Kerry. And it's possible they were trying to win Calif for Bush, but the voters just wouldn't let them.

One of the lessons of the California '04 vote may be the need for activism and more vigilance by Democrats in Republicon counties, against dishonest election officials. But the big lesson is, again: We can outvote the machines. The handicap they can place on good candidates has LIMITS.

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*(A third reason why they may have left Boxer alone is that they figured that Diane Feinstein would be a counterweight on war votes, and on some other important items--although I think Feinstein just voted for the Iraq timeline--possibly a measure of just how strong the antiwar sentiment is in Calif and the nation. If the country as a whole is 75% antiwar, you can figure California is probably at 90% by now. Feinstein needed to score some points with the left. She was reelected in '06--one of the stranger things that has happened, since she is out of sync with the voters on almost every issue. She had no significant opposition in the primary. A really great guy, Michael Strimling, ran against her--but he had no money, and people found out about him too late. I suspect that the war profiteers had something to do with no one with money or name recognition running against her in the Dem primary. And her Con opponent in the general election was such a nothing I can't even remember his name right now. She--a big war proponent--benefited from the Dem antiwar landslide in '06. A bitter irony, indeed.)

BY THE WAY: These election officials in Calif Republicon counties--like Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange--are a bloody menace. They are some of the most corrupt people in the country--and are now militating against the reforms of our new Sec of State Debra Bowen. They colluded with L.A. county election head Connie McCormack--who actually does sales brochures for Diebold--to "swiftboat" our previous reforming Sec of State Kevin Shelley out of office, and to install Diebold shill Bruce McCormack (Schwarz appointee), whom Bowen beat in '06 (our '06 election miracle!). It would have been these election official Cons who facilitated the theft of Kerry votes in Con Counties.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:04 AM
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21. WOW! WOW!! WOW!!! And the timing. .. time for everyone to know this
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 09:05 AM by L. Coyote
and just in time for today's testimony re the US attorney firings.

It is about time that many more politicos speak out about the mounting evidence of election thefts. Impeachment will be easy once the American public understands the truth of the past two Presidential elections.

Here is a summary DU page of the Email-Gate issues, and they are many:

Email-Gate FACTS: Felons, georgewbush.com, gwb43.com , et. al.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 09:14 AM
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23. this is bizarre, and when we have the Executive Branch back, we're not allowed to fire whoever WE
want.

This whole thing has gone beyond ridiculous.

Focus on issues, folks. Even the frieking banking hearings are screwed up. Predatory lending is a catchy phrase, but it's people that for reasons of one catastrophic event in their lives that lose their houses that we should be talkng about, too. Predatory lending has been talked to death before; why are we repeating the same exercise expecting different results. Calculated fool-dummery?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:43 AM
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26. Yep, it's pretty obvious...
As I've been saying for years... "With this bunch, EVERYTHING and I do mean EVERYTHING is
political."

Except those rare occurrences when they rally around Cheney's wallet.

Thanks to Sen. Kennedy for raising an awareness of the connection.


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 10:44 AM
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27. Maybe he read this....
FBI probes Watergate prostitution allegations
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250 /

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

Congress needs to get to the bottom of the CIA and WhiteHouse obstruction of justice. These firings were set up in order to prevent the Lam investigations from proceeding in a timely fashion. Getting the truthout would be severe blowback, however the CIA needs insiders to start spilling NOW. The damage further delay will cause could end up destroying more than just the GOP.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 12:58 PM
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29. Now Teddy -- Is There Something More Impeachable Than This ?!?
Yes, the torture of course. But as that's inexplicably a taboo subject...

What's the DC LieberDem reaction to willful, ongoing National Election Theft, Huh??

Is it going to be "Fool Me Thrice, Shame on Shame" ??

Probably.

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 01:13 PM
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30. Kennedy up now at the hearings asking if Kyle ever attended RNC meetings
re: firings. Kyle admitting he was a quite a few, a handful but topic only came up occasionally.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 04:15 PM
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32. Success!!
Teddy is ON to them! I think this is what it is all about and that's why the Pukes are nervous about the hearing today. WOO HOO TED!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 04:27 PM
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33. Thank you Senator Kennedy.
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 04:28 PM by autorank

It sure is a vehicle to work on 2008. There's no way they can win without cheating (like 2000 and 2004).

Now Senator Kennedy, why don't you take the lead, like only you can, and start shouting out the truth -
ALL THE VOTING MACHINES HAVE TO GO.

It's real simple, we used to count paper ballots at elections when ballots were as long or longer
than today, it worked. We can do it again and Canada is the example - they do all theier federal
elections with hand counted paper ballots.

This is one way to screw the election thieves.

Another way is to call out, as the good Senator has done, the Republicans for this crap.

REPUBLICAN "VOTER FRAUD" INVESTIGATIONS/LEGISLATION EQUALS REAL VOTER SUPPRESSION.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 05:51 PM
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34. and believe me the rove bunch have their operatives everywhere!!
(as i posted on another thread of this same subject...)


attorneys , poll watchers...voting rights people...they have heavy duty operatives set up and working for everyone's trust now so when they fuck this country in 2008 ..we the people will be blinded!!..or they think we will be!!

fly
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:10 PM
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35. I KNEW the Purge was a set up for the '08 Elections when the story broke
Edited on Thu Mar-29-07 06:31 PM by MagickMuffin
Karl Rove is NO genius. You can see his Patterns of Madness in everything he does. He will be the downfall of the Republicons for the next 30 years.

Having their Hitch men in place to challenge the '08 elections.

We need to start getting this message out to as many Democrats as possible. Let them know that they need to FIRE the replacement before the '08 elections. It is Fundamental that WE take control now!!!

I have been trying to comic blog about ALL these scandals.

Oh yeah:applause: for Senator Kennedy for recognizing the Patterns as well :applause:


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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 06:54 PM
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37. Kennedy's on top of things again
He's a treasure.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 11:20 PM
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39. Tell us like it is, Ted! (nt)
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-29-07 11:25 PM
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40. What's really scary is that it is even possible to do this to our justice system.
Things need to change.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:05 AM
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41. Way to go Senator Kennedy
Your courage and integrity never fail to leave me in awe.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 04:52 AM
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42. Jr's legacy again!
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