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T_i_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:06 AM Original message |
Scientists 'should be allowed to test on apes' |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. That's funny... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Chimpanzees are great apes |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. They should test this asswipe for a brain |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
101. OMG...LOL! |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Does it have a brain? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:01 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. It is a sad feeling |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. most of these animals are endangered |
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urbuddha (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Don't hurt the animals... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. They will disappear in a few decades - the conservative view is that the |
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liontamer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. animals used for testing are bred for testing |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. Who gets to define "emergency"? (nt) |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 08:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Great point. It always sound reasonable on paper, but you know |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. not only that, but at the point of an 'emergency' |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. Some apes have higher sentience than some gravely impaired humans |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Would it be cruel to experiment on republicans? A question for debate. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. How about Christians? Especially Republican Christians. |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. My personal ethics favor paying human volunteers. |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. The humanity of Republican Christians is being debated |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
103. "paid volunteers" |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
72. Actually IMHO, "experimentation" should not be allowed on |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. Human and animal is a pretty clear boundary. |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Nobody suggested any such thing |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
98. This is "might makes right." We do it because they don't have guns. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
102. test on the ugly poster boy in post #22 |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Why not? |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Why don't we test on you? Why should you be held in higher regard |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Re: "Why should you be held in higher regard than the chimps?" |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. "Because I'm human". You sure about that? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
110. disgusting and mindless tripe |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
63. Your attitude makes me sick. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. I agree with you |
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Southsideirish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
74. Yes, roll up your sleeve. |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
73. What makes you so fucking superior? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. Let's start with the Chimp in the White House |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I'll back that whole heartedly! |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I know |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Beat me to it. I'd say the |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. And criminals they are |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. Sort of a reverse "Planet of the Apes" where the apes used humans as |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. This is just plain immoral! Do you realize that researchers |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. "blow torches on pigs"...for God's sake, that is horrendous!!!! |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. But it is allowed. I've seen the film footage. Truly horrible. I hope |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I am pragmatic about some of this stuff...if there is a possibility to |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. We are a wretched species. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. No, we are not a nice species. And that's the reason we made it- |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. I disagree. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
105. see how long our reign will last, the way we treat our environment. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
112. "survival of the fittest"?? no, that is not correct |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
113. It's DoD funded |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. I disagree. |
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President Kerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. i find that "in order to save ourselves" very doubtful. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. I say they start testing on Colin Blakemore..... |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
15. Nah, there will be many Republicans voted out of office |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. In one word..............NO |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. No flames here. The superiority shit drives me crazy too. |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Thanks for the welcome |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I presume you are also against meat consumption? Never wear |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Actually, I am working on being a vegetarian... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Humans used animals since the beginning of time. |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Well..... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Extinct a long time ago? Why? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. LOL. And how many great apes are around today? Are they in |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. gee hmmm that wouldn't be because we raped thier territories would it? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Maybe we are too nasty, and will destroy ourselves in the end. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. again, I disagree. |
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President Kerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. interesting bit - thanks. n/t |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
75. They are indeed on the brink of extinction |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
70. In our culture, there are no perfect vegans. |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. well stated. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. What gives animals the right to hurt us? |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. What is your point? If you even have one that is n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. No flames here-I agree completely |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Uh, excuse me. Humans are the only sentient species on Earth |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. You need to bone up on your definitions... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
21. Not unless they start with us. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'm with you! Beautiful picture there! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. I think that's the kitten that KoKo named "all ball". n/t |
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DerBeppo (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. it's still humans. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:40 AM Response to Reply #85 |
114. just another another brainless cheerleader for "human superiority" |
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President Kerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
37. The whole idea of animal exploitation makes me cringe. |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. Humans ought to be classified as apes, as we are. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. We are already classified as apes. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
45. It's like a kindler and gentler Auschwitz. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Couldn't you say the same about any meat processing plant? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Yes. I know. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. LOOK IN HIS EYES............... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 03:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
106. The idea behind cruelty to animals: |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why not take it one step further |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
53. Wait a minute |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Oh, that is a load of bull. Most testing is done on rats and mice. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Which aren't even vaugely like us |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
62. I know EXACTLY wich chimpanzee they should start with! |
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
67. CRUEL!!Cruel !!CRUEL! These "Scientists" have a psychological disfunction |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. What idiocy. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. ironic comment coming from you. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I don't need your evolutionary anthropology class, thank you |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. "it ain't scientists who do animal research"? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Humans aren't cruel? Look around. I think the evidence speaks |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. *sigh* |
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
100. what kind of a post is THAT? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
69. I look forward to the return of ethics |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. yeah, and that's just drugs. |
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. yeah- they get paid to BURN the eyes out with chemicals- on healthy beings |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Do you say that to yourself while staffing yourself with a burger, |
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CHICKEN CAPITOL USA (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. if you care about the earth and all its beings you just gotta go VEGAN - |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 04:50 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Oh yeah you're a vegan |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:03 AM Response to Reply #90 |
109. . |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
96. Then I guess it's a good thing they test on animals. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
80. Great. Now, there's a good use for George Bush... |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
86. How will we turn them into our productive slaves |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
87. Now, what was the premise of the film "Planet of the Apes"? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
92. "Get your damn hands off of me, you damn dirty scientists! " n/t |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-05-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
97. There IS no clear boundary between human and animal. We are animals. |
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Prisonerohio (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
111. No animal testing = No medical research. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
115. Get a grip. |
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