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pnwmom
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Fri May-26-06 10:40 PM Original message |
Police report: Alleged Victim Changed Story (Duke case) |
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Fri May-26-06 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
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pnwmom
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Fri May-26-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The article was from a local ABC affiliate. |
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TheWraith
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Sat May-27-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You're coming precariously close to breaking the rules. |
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Moosepoop
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Sat May-27-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Really? |
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NVMojo
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Tue May-30-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
129. gee, maybe the poster wants us to act like fundi-freepers and disallow |
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Fri May-26-06 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
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Sat May-27-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sat May-27-06 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. Oh, big deal |
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Moosepoop
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Sat May-27-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. You beat me to it. |
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BrownOak
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Sun May-28-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. The old "bent wrist come along" |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 02:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. I think it does matter that the second dancer lied. If she actually |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. She DIDN'T think she was raped |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
104. Isn't it odd in that small house that Kim Roberts would have had |
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jberryhill
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Tue May-30-06 06:15 AM Response to Reply #104 |
116. The claim is that Roberts was not in the house... |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #116 |
134. And so she just sat in her car all that time, supposedly? |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #104 |
163. When's the last time you were at a big party? |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #163 |
167. You're right; I've never been to a party quite like that one. |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-31-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #163 |
179. Upstairs bathroom? |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #179 |
182. It took me a sec, but LOL |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
72. I think you're doing a lot of speculating about the accuser's thought |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Thought processes that are common and normal |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:27 AM Response to Reply #84 |
103. Your reasoning is circular. You're convinced that because she |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #103 |
164. That's NOT what I said |
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Moosepoop
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Sat May-27-06 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
9. Incidentally, this article from the local abc news affiliate |
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atomicdawg38
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Sat May-27-06 05:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I'm sure I'll get flamed... |
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Moosepoop
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Sat May-27-06 06:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Not going to flame you for your opinion. |
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NaturalHigh
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Sat May-27-06 06:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I believe that too. |
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Sat May-27-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Twenty guys? |
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Moosepoop
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Sat May-27-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The "twenty guys" claim |
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BrownOak
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Sun May-28-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. But it really hasn't been debunked n/t |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
165. The Durham police have |
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progressivebydesign
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Sun May-28-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. it's a schock to me that rape victims don't just kill themselves sometimes |
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Spike from MN
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Sun May-28-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Oh, they probably do. |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 03:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
73. I think you're completely off base here, to say that "many" DU'ers think |
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NaturalHigh
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Mon May-29-06 07:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
77. I'm actually surprised that more men accused of rape... |
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Buzz Clik
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Tue May-30-06 06:14 AM Response to Reply #77 |
115. Indeed. The accused were on the cover of Newsweek... |
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LostinVA
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Tue May-30-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #115 |
144. It's called "rape shield laws," and this case proves why |
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IndianaGreen
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Sun May-28-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. She has always been raped, or otherwise, with 3 men |
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Sun May-28-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. wonder how many women the lacrosse players have raped in their lives |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. The university's report covered that issue. None of the players have |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. What difference does being accused make? |
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BlueIris
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Sat May-27-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. "The DA is dreaming if he thinks he is going to get a conviction..." |
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Sat May-27-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Perhaps not |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. This particular DA screwed up the case with his line-ups consisting |
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Sat May-27-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. A friend of mine was arrested on an accusation like this nearly ruined |
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progressivebydesign
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Sun May-28-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. You can be friendly with a guy in a bar, go home with him.. |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
68. No, but women can make false accusations, and a woman caught by |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sun May-28-06 03:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Says who? |
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NaturalHigh
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Sun May-28-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. It's not possible for the Duke police officer to overhear... |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sun May-28-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. In a report by somebody who doesn't know |
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jberryhill
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Sun May-28-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. If you look at the Durham PD report |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
86. So what? |
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jberryhill
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Mon May-29-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. I gather that you must have missed... |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
166. Not at all |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-31-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #166 |
185. Now I'm a Pusher, woo-hoo |
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jberryhill
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Sun May-28-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Day's Report Says... |
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Moosepoop
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Mon May-29-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Shelton spoke to a Duke police lieutenant? |
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jberryhill
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Mon May-29-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Ah, okay... |
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NaturalHigh
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Mon May-29-06 07:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
74. Torch, you typed a lot... |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. I'm not taking sides |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
105. It does sound to me that you've take sides, when you say things like |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
168. Then you're confused |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 06:38 AM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Neither of us is happy, obviously. This is a very sad situation. |
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NaturalHigh
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Tue May-30-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #87 |
118. Torch, I'm very clear about what I believe. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:40 AM Response to Reply #118 |
171. No shit |
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NaturalHigh
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Wed May-31-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #171 |
181. What facts have you debunked, Torch? |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #171 |
183. It can be verified that when shown the original photo lineup, consisting |
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jberryhill
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Mon May-29-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
79. The hair |
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IndianaGreen
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Mon May-29-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. She said she had sex with boyfriend and two drivers of escort service |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. very unlikely |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:48 AM Response to Reply #92 |
107. You think she showered before going to the party? Give me a break. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:54 AM Response to Reply #107 |
172. Where do you get your information? |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #172 |
186. You must have seen enough people drunk or stoned to know that |
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Wed May-31-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #172 |
188. I don't know any strippers, Torch, but unfortunately |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-31-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #107 |
198. Get Your Shower Here, Nice Hot Shower Here.... |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
106. Or a white girlfriend. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #106 |
173. The lab said it was from a white MALE |
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NaturalHigh
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Wed May-31-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Does it say it's from a Duke lacrosse player? |
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pnwmom
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Mon May-29-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. But here's the core problem. If she was so "falling down passed out |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. Again, so what? |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 03:52 AM Response to Reply #88 |
108. But she I.D.ed them with a rigged photo lineup. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 07:06 AM Response to Reply #108 |
174. That's a pretty stupid question |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #174 |
184. That's a pretty rude answer. |
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marshall
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Sat May-27-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Another possibility |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat May-27-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Well you have a very fertile imagination, for which you are to be |
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marshall
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Sat May-27-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Thanks |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat May-27-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Well, you sure finessed me there! I thought I was being sarcastic. |
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marshall
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Sat May-27-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Exotic Dancer |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sun May-28-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Your speculations might have carried more (or less) weight, |
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marshall
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Tue May-30-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
162. I more or less agree with that argument |
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pnwmom
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Wed May-31-06 06:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
169. I didn't see much in the way of hard facts in that post, but I saw |
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marshall
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Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #169 |
187. Lack of evidence leads to questions about state of mind |
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RagingInMiami
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Sun May-28-06 03:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I thought you were being sarcastic |
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marshall
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Sun May-28-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. no sarcasm here |
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RagingInMiami
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Sun May-28-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. I think it's a bit of a stretch, but anything is possible |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sun May-28-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Am I right in thinking you were addressing this post to me? If so, |
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marshall
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Mon Jun-05-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
202. Vanity Fair Interview |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sun May-28-06 03:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Now that's an interesting possibility |
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marshall
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Sun May-28-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. That isn't what I said |
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NaturalHigh
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Sun May-28-06 09:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The master plan was likely hatched... |
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marshall
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Sun May-28-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. If more evidence comes out |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sun May-28-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Obviously you mean speculation as to the frat boy's characters. |
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Sun May-28-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I doubt she pre-planned it................ |
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NaturalHigh
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Mon May-29-06 07:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
76. "Not wise to piss off a couple of hookers with criminal records." |
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Tue May-30-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
160. they aren't even hookers. |
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NaturalHigh
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Wed May-31-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #160 |
180. If you read up on the case... |
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Wed May-31-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. There is still a difference between an escort and a hooker. |
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Wed May-31-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. The victim is a woman |
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Wed May-31-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. I agree totally with you. |
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NaturalHigh
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Thu Jun-01-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #194 |
200. It goes to her credibility. |
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Thu Jun-01-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. I doubt that |
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Sun May-28-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Contact the defense. Tell em you have ESP. They might like ya at the trial |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 02:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
69. Congratulations |
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Mon May-29-06 07:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Deleted message |
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Mon May-29-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. You must be kidding |
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NaturalHigh
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Tue May-30-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #93 |
119. No, I have nothing to say to you personally. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #119 |
175. Then don't |
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Tue May-30-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
141. Even though the ER doctor and SANE says she was raped? |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #141 |
149. Saying that she had signs "consistent with being raped" isn't a |
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Sun May-28-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. Clearly? |
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DubyaSux
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Sun May-28-06 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
29. I hate to admit this... |
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Sun May-28-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. That's a heartbreaking story |
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Sun May-28-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. In my case... |
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Mon May-29-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. A friend of mine was a teacher who was also accused of |
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Sun May-28-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
32. Really "unconscious" people...or rape-drugged & traumatized people? |
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Sun May-28-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I don't think you understand..... |
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Sun May-28-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. How do you know the officer wasn't lying? Particularly in view of |
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Sun May-28-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Yeah, everybody lies but the accuser. |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sun May-28-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So much for the attention you paid to TorchTheWitch's post, in |
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jberryhill
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Sun May-28-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Speaking of biased views... |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Mon May-29-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
82. So you think that because Chalmers is an African American, |
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jberryhill
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Mon May-29-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. You are obviously addressing someone else |
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IndianaGreen
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Mon May-29-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. You guys still have no evidence to convict these men of rape |
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TorchTheWitch
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Mon May-29-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. And you have no evidence that she wasn't raped |
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Mon May-29-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Reade Seligmann wasn't even there, and Evans had no mustache ever! |
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Tue May-30-06 04:34 AM Response to Reply #98 |
111. This is a little odd. |
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jberryhill
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Tue May-30-06 06:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. chronology |
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pnwmom
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Tue May-30-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
136. I don't know. Do you? |
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TorchTheWitch
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Wed May-31-06 07:11 AM Response to Reply #98 |
176. You don't know that |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-31-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #176 |
193. self delete |
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Tue May-30-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. In our system, it is not up to the defense to prove that she wasn't raped. |
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Tue May-30-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #110 |
126. You're right, it's up to the prosecution to establish guilt. |
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Tue May-30-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. Summed Up in Two Sentences |
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Tue May-30-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #126 |
138. Honestly, do you think the photo lineup should be admitted? |
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Tue May-30-06 08:08 AM Response to Reply #91 |
124. I'd prefer to eat crow than know that a young woman was raped |
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Tue May-30-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. Pretty Good |
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Tue May-30-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #128 |
159. Deleted message |
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Tue May-30-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Where did you learn to "write"? |
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Tue May-30-06 04:03 AM Response to Reply #82 |
109. I don't know who is telling the truth in this case, and because of the |
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Tue May-30-06 08:06 AM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Exactly. |
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Tue May-30-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #33 |
145. She may NOT have been unconscious |
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Sun May-28-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. story changed story..... bedroom, bathroom... whatever, huh guys? |
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Sun May-28-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. If you actually look at the hand-written report by Sgt. Shelton... |
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Sun May-28-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. No it doesn't. |
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Sun May-28-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It looks like this... |
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Mon May-29-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Hey, thanks for posting it. |
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Mon May-29-06 03:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Now everyone can read the whole 21 pages. It's interesting reading, |
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Mon May-29-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. doesn't look like bedroom at all to me, looks like sloppy reporting is all |
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Mon May-29-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
81. Thanks for posting |
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Mon May-29-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. lame excuse |
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Mon May-29-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Ummmm.... |
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Mon May-29-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. The police report |
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Tue May-30-06 06:20 AM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Or the reporter's notes weren't clear |
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Tue May-30-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. The significance of the point is |
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Tue May-30-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. The article is based on Shelton's report |
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Tue May-30-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. Someone is trying |
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Tue May-30-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Yup... |
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Sun May-28-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Forgot the link.... |
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Sun May-28-06 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
54. Another example, from LBN of how full of shit cops are: |
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Mon May-29-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
102. That is so offensive |
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Mon May-29-06 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
99. Defense: Accuser Initially Failed To ID Duke Lacrosse Player (Dave Evans) |
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Tue May-30-06 06:08 AM Response to Reply #99 |
113. Oh, yes. The mustache. |
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Tue May-30-06 08:07 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. You are confusing the two photo ID sessions |
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Tue May-30-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #113 |
147. Evans isn't in any photos taken that night n/t |
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Tue May-30-06 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
112. If the students were actually guilty of rape, wouldn't they be defending |
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Tue May-30-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #112 |
120. I've said this all along. |
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Tue May-30-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #112 |
131. Consent is not a good defense here, |
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Tue May-30-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. "Based on the woman's injuries in the SANE report" |
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Tue May-30-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. It's in one of the warrants |
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Tue May-30-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. That's why I asked about "direct-sourced" |
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Tue May-30-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #139 |
143. I realize that |
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Tue May-30-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #143 |
150. The relevance is this... |
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Tue May-30-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Sort of a leap in logic there |
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Tue May-30-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #142 |
146. Because it isn't |
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Tue May-30-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #146 |
153. Let's be precise |
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Tue May-30-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #146 |
155. But if they raped her -- but didn't have to use much physical force -- |
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Tue May-30-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #135 |
151. Why would the defense "have to admit to the incident" if the students |
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Tue May-30-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I've never seen the actual SANE report. Is it out there somewhere? |
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Tue May-30-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #133 |
140. No |
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Tue May-30-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #140 |
148. There's no released copies, AFAIK |
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Tue May-30-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. People who are drinking a lot and over their limit can easily change that |
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Tue May-30-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #152 |
154. I hope there's one too. |
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Tue May-30-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. She also could have downed several shots before she left the house |
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Tue May-30-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Responsiveness |
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Wed May-31-06 08:47 AM Response to Reply #133 |
177. Logic is lost in this discussion. |
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Wed May-31-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #177 |
195. I can have sex with 10 men in one night, and it's perfect fine and legal. |
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Wed May-31-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. That wasn't really the point... |
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Wed May-31-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Thank you. |
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Thu Jun-01-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #195 |
199. Nobody deserves to be raped... |
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Tue May-30-06 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
157. *sigh* makes you wish for the old days |
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Wed May-31-06 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
189. This article about local escort services supports everyone's point of view |
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Wed May-31-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Nothing like good, hard news |
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