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Barrett808
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:16 PM Original message |
Is Jimmy Massey telling the truth about Iraq? (Marine atrocities made up?) |
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Southsideirish
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. Surprise! Surprise! "Fellow Marines" disavow his comments!! |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. This guy sounds like he needs some SERIOUS medical help |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree with you. If people would read the story, they will find... |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I'd love to see the RE code on his discharge certificate |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. So, what are your medical credentials that allow you to make.... |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. An enormous amount of experience dealing with discharges of this |
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
88. I was there then |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. He spent considerable time |
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Jara sang
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Sun Nov-06-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. oh yeah, you're so right. I'm sure evry American soldier in Iraq |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You must be responding to another post, since I never addressed.. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. The lying of the Busch Junta is well-documented.... |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. No....Kerry's actions were supported by eyewitness accounts. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Got the name of any of the other alleged eyewitnesses? |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Re-read my post. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. No, you're questioning his original story because the writer chose to... |
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Jara sang
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. How are you so certain that Massey is lying? n/t |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Did you read the whole story? |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Got any names? |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yes....Massey. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Riiigghhhttt. Whatever you say. LOL. |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. You need to read the article--Massey himself admitted he LIED. |
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brentspeak
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. It's no use, MAdam |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I know--but hey, reread the whole thread, I found out some interesting |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. And there are some in this thread who are here primarily for... |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. And the Post-Dispatch is completely reliable? Right. And you.... |
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Psephos
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Mon Nov-07-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
101. How reliable is MediaLiesDaily? |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
124. They endorsed Kerry in 04, for starters |
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politick
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Mon Nov-07-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
133. Why Is It So Hard |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Why am I not suprised by your response. Shoot the messenger, right? |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. When the messenger is lying.... |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. In your opinion, the messenger is lying...sounds like you're... |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Nope...just using my brain. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Start verifying, and let us know how it turns out. |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Lexis-Nexis is your friend. |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Fork over the names. If not, that will just continue to confirm.. |
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Liberal Dose
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Mon Nov-07-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
132. Maybe he's the Iraq-era Ted Sample. n/t |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Have to assume you have read |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. I've read this article in half a dozen papers |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
91. What article? |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. None of his alleged detractors seem to have a name. Hmmmm. |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. Yes they do, try reading the ARTICLE. n/t |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Name them. |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #66 |
115. If you cannot pick the names out, I cannot help you. |
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hughee99
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Tue Nov-08-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
141. How about Jimmy Massey! |
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mirandapriestly
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. This line gave me a good laugh. |
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WhiteTara
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. It is good that he is out of the country |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. He has had death threats. |
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joeunderdog
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Mon Nov-07-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
130. How 'bout the deaths of those holding the truth about Jessica Lynch? |
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WhiteTara
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Mon Nov-07-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
134. of course |
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Zodiak
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Might as well don the tinfoil |
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madeline_con
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Excellent points all... |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. There are other sources |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. Agent provocateur? |
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Catt03
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well ...hell Post Dispatch |
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shance
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Sun Nov-06-05 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. Blame the truth tellers. Continue the delusion and lies so people |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Come on, this guy is NOT a truth teller, he is a bullshit artist!!! |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. On what do you base your |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. OK, now stop putting words in my mouth--that is not what I said at all |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Why would the military |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #71 |
111. I do not think they did--he hung himself with his own changing stories, |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Got the names of Massey's accusers? |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Better yet, how about a PICTURE of one of them? |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Respectfully, you say Mr. Haviv |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
112. READ the damn ARTICLE. n/t |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Well, damnit, I have read the damn |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. See post 119 n/t |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. And Mr. Haviv was where in Iraq, exactly? How does this story lend... |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #73 |
113. Now I know you are just blowing smoke |
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JoZbean
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Thu Nov-10-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #113 |
151. We're mixing up people....Harris wrote the piece, Havic wasn't quoted |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Read the whole story. Its pretty obvious that he is not a "truth teller". |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. This isn't the only source. |
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daleo
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. Bush and his troop are the real liars when it comes to Iraq |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Does it not bother you that Massey is obviously lying? |
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daleo
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Sun Nov-06-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I am not condoning any lies this guy might be telling, if he is lying |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You are right, but idiots like this clown do NOT HELP the cause |
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daleo
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I guess that is why I am saying it is distraction |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I honestly do not think this guy got out after 12 years under his own |
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daleo
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. I respect your opinion |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Turns out he was there for less than two months, shipped home on a psych |
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. You personally don't know what Massey saw while he was in Iraq, do you? |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #74 |
107. And, of course, you do! n/t |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Ron Haviv ?? |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #75 |
106. Haviv was EMBEDDED with Massey's unit. |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. You keep refering to Haviv |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Why don't YOU do a little research, then? |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Your only argument is that you believe |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. See post 118 n/t |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. I am familiar with post 118 |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Sorry, 119 (my mouse jumped) |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
82. Look, I'm not here to fight about it. |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #82 |
105. All well and good |
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Benhurst
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Sun Nov-06-05 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. It does look as though he may be a pathological liar like Bush and Cheney. |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. I posted this same thread in GD since it was in yesterday's paper |
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Sun Nov-06-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Massey's the one with the accusations to be proven. |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. If he's lying, it affects the credibility of more than just Jim Massey |
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Benhurst
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Good point. NT |
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0007
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
76. The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri |
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pintobean
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Mon Nov-07-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #76 |
103. Blue,blue city in a red,red state |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
126. They endorsed KERRY in 04 |
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pintobean
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Mon Nov-07-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. FYI MADem |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. Plenty of sites on the net |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. Another piece of the puzzle |
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MADem
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Sun Nov-06-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. They have this story because they had an embed with the unit |
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Benhurst
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Possibly not. But Tim Russert and Judith Miller also have world-wide |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Bingo. |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. You may be right, he may not have given any dough to Bush |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. I'm afraid we won't get the answer |
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tx_dem41
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Its quite simple actually. |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
87. Two different Kevin Sheas |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Thanks, but that doesn't prove it was two different Sheas |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Lt is O-1 or O-2, LtCol is O-5 |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I don't know about rank |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. A LtCol would never be in command of a platoon. |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Thank you. |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:24 AM Original message |
Let's have a look at the guy who wrote the article--he is on the left |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
129. Great interview with Ed Gordon. |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
119. Dupe, sorry, old mouse |
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Media_Lies_Daily
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. As an "embed", where do you think Haviv was positioned?.... |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #77 |
108. Take a few minutes, and research Haviv's career, why don't you? |
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lumpy
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. Well, we've heard a lot about Haviv |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
110. My agenda is to end this stupid war |
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lumpy
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #110 |
122. No |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #122 |
128. I stated my agenda, and you are dead wrong n/t |
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JoZbean
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Mon Nov-07-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
136. I've just been watching the video of napalm used in Fallujua |
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MADem
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Tue Nov-08-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Only one embed was kicked out of Iraq in the run to Baghdad |
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JoZbean
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Tue Nov-08-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. The thing is, MADem, we might not disagree eventually |
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MADem
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Tue Nov-08-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Sure. My bingos were Ron Haviv and Ron Harris, frankly |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. St Louis Post Dispatch endorses Kerry in 2004 |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. That helps to expand the inquiry. Thanks |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Lee Enterprises with Gregory P Schermer, Veep |
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Columbia
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Does Mr. Schermer own Lee Enterprises? |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I'm not discrediting the entire newspaper..... |
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Sun Nov-06-05 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
78. The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Cindy usually comes out fairly early as an indication of what's to come |
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Monkey see Monkey Do
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Sun Nov-06-05 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
89. Not at all helpful Mr Massey |
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JoZbean
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Sun Nov-06-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Hell, the Right doesn't have to.... |
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0007
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Mon Nov-07-05 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
102. We now know about all the lies the media told us about Pat Tillman |
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Tiberius
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Mon Nov-07-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. There is more truth than we want to admit... |
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0007
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Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Does sound unconventional but who knows? |
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MADem
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #102 |
127. That is what they are, STORIES |
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Mon Nov-07-05 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
135. Wonder what he would say about Fallujah and chemical weapons |
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Mon Nov-07-05 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
137. Another article... |
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Tue Nov-08-05 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
138. Is Massey a plant? |
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Tue Nov-08-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. One has to wonder if he's a provocateur spreading disinformation. n/t |
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Thu Nov-10-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #138 |
152. Massey has responded |
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Tue Nov-08-05 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
143. Karl Rove poison pill--send truth with an unreliable messenger |
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Tue Nov-08-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. or just keep saying the messenger stinks and is unreliable |
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Tue Nov-08-05 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
144. I don't buy the smear against Massey |
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Wed Nov-09-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Interesting -- so would you say this story is a hit piece? n/t |
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Thu Nov-10-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. I'd say you all need to read this piece: |
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Wed Nov-09-05 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
148. Outing a liar: Hero Marine gets caught pulling a John Kerry (MT News) |
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Wed Nov-09-05 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
149. I will never understand the need to endorse any kook who takes our side |
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Thu Nov-10-05 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
153. Once more for good measure....... |
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Fri Nov-11-05 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
154. Kick |
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