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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:27 PM
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U.S. poised for trade war
OTTAWA and TORONTO - Washington says it has no plans to obey a NAFTA ruling that compels the United States to refund an estimated $5-billion in illegally collected duties to Canadian lumber producers -- setting up a potential trade war that experts say could threaten the future of the North American trading bloc.

Christine Mingie, a Vancouver lawyer and expert in commercial law, said Washington's refusal to abide by the judgment has widespread repercussions.

"That would have huge implications, not just on softwood lumber but on any other trade disputes Canada may have," she said.

"In terms of the United States complying with any other international agreement, this raises big question marks as well. If they are not going to comply with this, then it is a huge issue in dealing with the Americans."

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bf63bb07-df95-4f39-8118-514e41b91fdf
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:28 PM
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1. Why would anybody trust the word of the US after the last 5 years? n/t
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:44 PM
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8. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:30 PM
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2. to all those suckers, er countries that signed on to CAFTA
This is what's in store for you.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:31 PM
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3. Yes, who in their right mind would trust our government? nt
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:34 PM
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4. So trade elsewhere
There are 190 other countries in the world
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:34 PM
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5. Democratic nations are not motivated by monetary issues, they
don't engage in a "war" trade or otherwise without good reason, mebbe I have that wrong... dunno.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:07 PM
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9. *ahem* - and exactly WHO still thinks the USSA is a democracy??
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not THIS Canuk

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:42 AM
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16. The U.S. has devolved into a corporate run, dollar driven
beast. It lurks about seeing whom it may devour in order to save its own lifestyle. Pretty sh*tty imho.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:50 AM
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19. the worst part
is that, like the conservative movement, the us seems to be inflexible in a very fast changing world. If it just put some resources into adapting, rater than say killing and bombing......
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:11 PM
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11. Did you say Democratic or Demonic Nations? nt
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:36 PM
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6. Way to GO Bush!!!! Wreak MORE havoc on our economy! C'mon I
know that you have it in you!!
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:42 PM
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7. Softwood lumber is just one "irritant, viz
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:43 PM by achtung_circus
<http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050810/RWHEAT10/TPBusiness/Canadian>

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The U.S. Department of Commerce cut duties on Canadian hard red spring wheat imports to 2.54 per cent from 5.29 per cent after an independent trade panel ruled against its method of calculation.

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Yesterday's "reduction isn't going to allow more sales of hard red spring wheat into the U.S.," Maureen Fitzhenry, a spokeswoman for the wheat board, said in a telephone interview. "It is still a prohibitive tariff."

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This is the 10th challenge to Canadian wheat imports by U.S. farmers since free trade with Canada began in 1989, according to the CWB (Canadian Wheat Board).

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EVERY American challenge has eventually been thrown out, yet the wording is changed slightly and the challenges continue.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:09 PM
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10. Abiding by rulings is for suckers!
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 09:11 PM by Minstrel Boy
That's what the other fellers do!

Why should any self-respecting nation tie itself to a trade agreement with such a partner?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:55 AM
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18. USSA has broken every agreement made since they met the first Native
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Why stop now??

(sigh)

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:10 AM
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12. Plutocrats Gone Wild!
When the response to legally binding rulings is for Dick Cheney to hoist his shirt up and flaunt his flappy man-boobs, we might as well let drunken frat boys run our government.

Pretty brazen for a crew running trade and budget deficits, watching the currency decline, depending on foreign debt servicing for its economic recovery, and trudging knee deep in a war it can't win or afford.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:12 AM
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13. Is there any kind of war we are not poised for these days?
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:33 AM
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14. Is US going to blame trade war on Iraq???
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 01:33 AM by Rainscents
:sarcasm:
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:59 AM
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15. U.S. 'slap' infuriates Canada
Ottawa and Banff, Alta. — Canadian anger boiled over yesterday at the U.S. government's refusal to comply with a landmark NAFTA ruling that should have spelled an end to punitive softwood duties on lumber from Canada.

Federal and provincial officials accused the United States of reneging on the 11-year-old North American free-trade agreement, with Ottawa renewing threats to slap billions of dollars of sanctions on American goods if Washington doesn't recant.

Another top-ranked federal official said Ottawa is prepared to retaliate if the United States repudiates NAFTA. "Those rules cannot be flouted and they cannot be ignored," the official said. "If ..... can't see fit to recognize the rule of law, to honour the agreement that it, itself, established, and to work toward a deal that is fair to all, they should not expect this federal government to take that sitting down."

A group of Liberal cabinet ministers, including International Trade Minister Jim Peterson, released a statement that questioned the U.S. government's support for the North American free-trade agreement. "This raises serious and fundamental questions about the United States's commitment to the NAFTA," the ministers said of U.S. intransigence on softwood duties.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050812.wxpremiers0812/BNStory/National/

One would almost think that the * administration wants to cancel NAFTA and make separate deals. Kinda silly after having just blown their wad on CAFTA?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:28 AM
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17. It's A Good Thing We're Such Good Friends With Canada
Imagine if we treated our enemies the way we treat our sister nation to the north. World War III!
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