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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:42 PM Original message |
Happy 140th Birthday, NRA! |
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. You must feel very proud |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What is your problem with the NRA? |
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. No, just the fact that they distort the 2nd Amendment. |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Funny thing is... |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I don't ignore anything |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. What I've picked... |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. "I also fail to see where the NRA has distorted the 2nd Amendment." |
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Thu Nov-17-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. No, I don't know it. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I've got news for you. We are not in the 18th century. |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. No we arent |
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beevul
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Open mouth, insert foot. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. And what is it that you think I want to see accomplished? |
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beevul
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. What ? |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. OK, let me enlighten you, as your ESP failed |
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PavePusher
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. "Yes, the line has to be drawn somewhere." |
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PavePusher
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. "I would prefer CC permits be issued based on demonstrable need." |
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Sat Nov-19-11 05:34 AM Response to Reply #109 |
115. CC permit is not a civil right |
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PavePusher
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Sat Nov-19-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. "keep and bear arms" is a Civil Right. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #120 |
142. It is a Constitutional Right. For now. |
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Sun Nov-20-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
151. Are you saying CC permits are unconstitutional? |
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Atypical Liberal
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Tue Nov-22-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #151 |
167. Yes. |
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beevul
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Sat Nov-19-11 07:42 AM Response to Reply #97 |
117. Typical. |
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Callisto32
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Sat Nov-19-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
124. You are funny! |
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Lurks Often
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. If the NRA is so in bed with the GOP, why do they support Harry Reid? |
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. There are many who support 2A who despise the NRA |
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Lurks Often
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
85. You did see when it stated that Sen Reid voted against |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Nov-18-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Yes and your point is? |
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Lurks Often
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Sat Nov-19-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #91 |
137. The point you keep trying to ignore |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. I don't ignore it. I point it out and it disgusts me. |
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Lurks Often
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Then your post above is incorrect |
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Starboard Tack
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. You are correct. The opinion of SCOTUS counts. |
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Lurks Often
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. Yawn. I can see that you are so deep into your incorrect, misinformed, |
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Tesha
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. They proudly and far-disproportionally support Republicans. As do most gun folks. (NT) |
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fightthegoodfightnow
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Thu Nov-24-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
174. All NRA members are members of the militia? |
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gejohnston
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Thu Nov-24-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. militia membership is irrelevant |
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SteveM
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. And the "troops under their command" were Union or Confederate? nt |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. I have no idea what your point is |
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SteveM
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Thu Nov-17-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Seems like the NRA was on the right side of the Civil War. Disagree? nt |
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. The NRA was on the right side until 1980 |
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SteveM
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Faustian deals: Most here do not make them, correct? nt |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Correct. Most do not support the NRA |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. I do indeed. |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lets say HB to all lobbyists that bribe Congress to society's detriment -- oil, banks, guns, etc. |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. long as you remember to include... |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. But those aren't "detrimental" unless one is a right winger. I know you guys wouldn't want to |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The point, which you missed as usual |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I guess the fact that the NRA endorses 3 right wingers for every Democrat is good for society. |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. They endorse pro-gun candidates |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Democrats could change that OVERNIGHT. |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I hope Democrats don't do that. I doubt most will. |
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burf
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. NRA-PVF Endorsement Policy |
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iverglas
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Thu Nov-17-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. oh, it helps soooo much |
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burf
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Thu Nov-17-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Typical |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. You've never worked for a PAC or Lobby organization if you believe that BS policy. |
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Simo 1939_1940
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
100. Folks like you CREATED the modern NRA, Hoyt. You |
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Hoyt
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Glad to help you guys tote without concern for society. Maybe they just don't want to hear you whine |
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Simo 1939_1940
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:23 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. And maybe a lot of other folks don't want to hear you whine |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. Thanks. Can't be put any more simply than that. n/t |
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safeinOhio
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Fri Nov-18-11 03:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
78. See NRA last minute |
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Atypical Liberal
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Fri Nov-18-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I'll take that. |
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Hoyt
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Fri Nov-18-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. Excellent description of how they play games to advance their political agenda and fool members. |
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hack89
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. Then Democrats need to step up and give us an alternative to the NRA |
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Hoyt
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. Sorry, I will not bow to the almighty NRA and their gun toting members, mostly TBaggers. |
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Simo 1939_1940
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:27 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. We wouldn't expect you to bow to the NRA, Hoyt. |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #111 |
118. I would hope not - the NRA needs people like you in order to grow. nt |
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Hoyt
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Sat Nov-19-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. Just what we need, more TBag toters. |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Just remember you bear some of the responsibility for their increase in numbers. nt |
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Hoyt
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. No, people who can't live without guns are responsible. As are right wingers who pander to them. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #129 |
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Hoyt
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. They probably would use devious tactics to fool those who'll pay dues to anything related to guns. |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. No more devious than the Brady bunch. nt |
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Hoyt
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. At least they aren't for the proliferation of guns. |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. They just stand for the restriction of civil rights. nt |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. And what is the harm in that? |
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Simo 1939_1940
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Sat Nov-19-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #129 |
138. Can you please get your story straight once in a while? |
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Logical
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Fri Nov-18-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
74. Wow, are you naive! |
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fightthegoodfightnow
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Thu Nov-24-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
175. Constitutional Right? |
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Fri Nov-25-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #175 |
178. I don't believe you understand the concept of a right |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. somehow, I doubt that 2A would be in jeopardy without rightwingers -- |
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Hoyt
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And a whole lot more that don't, particularly when we are talking about toting guns in public. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. you are entitled to opinion, of course. I reiterate that there are |
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Your true colors are blinding us |
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Thu Nov-17-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I am pointing out... |
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iverglas
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
99. that's just too funny |
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rfranklin
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Formed to help us kill our fellow man more efficiently... |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. Sometimes it is necessary to kill others. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. You are naive... |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Fri Nov-18-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. No my friend it is you who is naive. |
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fightthegoodfightnow
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Thu Nov-24-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
172. So True |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Nov-24-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Gun accidents continue to climb |
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gejohnston
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Thu Nov-24-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. safer than many countries |
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Fri Nov-25-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #172 |
179. You have any actual proof of any of those claims? |
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sharp_stick
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Thu Nov-17-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. It used to be a decent organization |
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Logical
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. The NRA should not be celebrated. A bunch of right wing nuts. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The NRA endorses Democrats.. |
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Logical
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Give it a rest. Name one they have had as a keynote speaker. Also.... |
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. A keynote speaker? |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Want to move those goal posts again? |
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Logical
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
72. Nice try! |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
66. They pander to the majority of their supporters, who happen to be right-wing. |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. In the last election, the NRA gave all my Democratic candiates except one high marks. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Interesting to see how little support you're getting here |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Most people fear what they do not understand....nt |
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I think most people here do understand what the NRA has become |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
122. I understand guns. But I fear them in the hands of the type of person... |
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Count me as a supporter. As has been pointed out in this thread |
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. A single issue? LOL |
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Hoopla Phil
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yep, firearms freedom is their single issue. Is there another |
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Yes! Making sure anyone who opposes their agenda doesn't get elected |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. So you'd best not cross the NRA and shoot yourself in the foot, then. n/t |
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Fri Nov-18-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
76. I take that as a "no" you cannot offer up an issue that the NRA |
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Fri Nov-18-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. endorsing candidates |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Tue Nov-22-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
163. Well that IS kinda what they exist to do... |
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We_Have_A_Problem
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Thu Nov-17-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Simple |
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beevul
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. How did it go from improving marksmanship with rifles... |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. And so the pendulum swings |
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beevul
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. Yes, but it would be helful if you understood which direction it swings... |
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
98. Look at the bottom right |
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beevul
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Sat Nov-19-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #98 |
116. And? |
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Straw Man
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Fri Nov-18-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
73. Who am "us," anyway? |
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Hoopla Phil
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Fri Nov-18-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. It is nice when prohibitionists are honest for the rare occasion isn't it? Of course, it |
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Fri Nov-18-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. "Us" would be those who are not compulsive toters. |
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Straw Man
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Fri Nov-18-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Compulsive toters = those who recognize that assault doesn't only happen at home. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Compulsive toting = Irrational behavior |
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Straw Man
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Fri Nov-18-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. You're trying to have it both ways again. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #106 |
134. I'm not trying to have it any way |
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Straw Man
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #134 |
143. More double-talk. |
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hack89
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #102 |
119. Why an AWB? |
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
145. Oh, well lets just ban "crime weapons" then |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #145 |
154. No - lets fix real problems |
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Mon Nov-21-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. How much is significant? |
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hack89
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Tue Nov-22-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #155 |
164. Certainly less than a hundred - possibly much fewer. |
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Wed Nov-23-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. Thanks for the info. That's good. So all we have to worry about is handguns. |
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Marengo
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Tue Nov-22-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #90 |
161. Where does you belief in the right to own a gun originate? N/T |
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Tue Nov-22-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #161 |
165. The simple fact that I am a free man. |
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hack89
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
95. I belong to the NRA. I am also a lifelong Democrat. nt |
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Good for you. I'm sure you're not alone. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. No need to - paranoia seems to be your problem not mine. nt |
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Sat Nov-19-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. He's doing that "dire muttering" thing again. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
141. No paranoia here, thank you. |
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Sun Nov-20-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. No - you just give them reasons to exist and grow |
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. And knowing that you continue to support it. Bravo! |
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Only until the Democrats get smart. nt |
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Sun Nov-20-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. So the Democrats are not smart? Is that what you're saying? |
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. They are stupid as hell when it comes to gun control |
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Mon Nov-21-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. Am I to assume you are not a Democrat? |
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Mon Nov-21-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. I do think he is thinking of Democratic politicians |
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Mon Nov-21-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. You should assume no such thing. |
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Tue Nov-22-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Hey, it's a big tent. I'm just asking based on his statements. |
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Tue Nov-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #160 |
168. "If there truly were "empirical evidence" on gun issues, |
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Tue Nov-22-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #156 |
166. Staunch Democrat - very active in local politics |
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Wed Nov-23-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. OK fair enough, but I think we can honestly differ without calling each other stupid. |
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Mon Nov-21-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. "What other right wing organizations should we embrace?" |
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Thu Nov-17-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
37. I joined the NRA and CRPA a few years ago largely |
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I hear ya. |
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iverglas
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Thu Nov-17-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. so |
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Thu Nov-17-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. let me correct that for you |
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iverglas
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. er, I didn't join the NRA |
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Fri Nov-18-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
107. OK fine, you know what I meant |
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Thu Nov-17-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. Ooo, this will be intersting |
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Thu Nov-17-11 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. oh, you left a bit out, dincha? |
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
62. Wayne LaPierre is nuts. |
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Thu Nov-17-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. you're the third person I've heard say that week |
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Because the shooting ranges get a bunch of benefits |
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Yes, it's probably the insurance. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. It's your conscience. You have options. You don't have to hold your nose. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
75. As a member of the NRA, I'm grateful for their defense of the 2nd amendment. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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Fri Nov-18-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The NRA supports plenty of Democrats. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I vote solid D, thank you. The NRA is a one issue org, but I am not. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
125. And every D in every election is in line with your issues? |
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Sat Nov-19-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I'm not sure what you're getting at so I'll assume it was a well intentioned question. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. I have voted for plenty of NRA endorsed Democrats. |
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Fri Nov-18-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. Thanks for waving the white flag of surrender so conspicuously. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #101 |
121. The Figure Last Election Was 45%. |
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #121 |
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Sat Nov-19-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
139. Be happy to meditate on it for a while if you can produce |
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
171. You were asked five days ago for a link to this purported 'poll'. Where is it? |
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Tue Nov-22-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
162. HBD NRA |
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