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Gothmog

(145,195 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:56 PM Feb 2019

Washington Post-What we learned from Bernie Sanders's town hall [View all]

I did not watch this town hall but I noticed this in the description of the concerns that the Washington Post had. How does one rely on voter revolutions as part of their plan to get legislation adopted?



He isn’t going to grapple with the difficulties of legislating. This is a thorny topic for any presidential candidate, particularly Democrats who have ambitious policy agendas, because it requires admitting that things are going to be hard and that failure is a real possibility. Candidates would much prefer to assure you that if they’re elected, all their proposals will become law and everything will turn out wonderfully. The question of how you get your ideas through Congress is particularly important for Sanders, because his agenda is the most sweeping and the one that will run into the strongest resistance, not only from Republicans but from outside stakeholders as well.

Unfortunately, Sanders’s usual answer to such questions is unsatisfying, to say the least. He argues that we need a popular revolution so overwhelming that even Republican legislators will bow down before its power and vote for things they abhor with every fiber of their beings, such as single-payer health care.

That, of course, is just not going to happen. So what do you do then? We saw a taste of the problem during the town hall. A questioner asked about D.C. statehood, and Sanders said that he supports it. Unfortunately, the entire Republican Party believes that since the 700,000 residents of D.C. are mostly Democrats, they shouldn’t have representation in the federal government. Pressed on how what he would do to make it happen, he said, “Uh, everything that we possibly can,” going on to say, “I hope that my Republican colleagues do the right thing.” Which is a way of saying he doesn’t doesn’t have any ideas. That doesn’t make him different from most people, but getting Republicans to support the rest of his agenda is no more likely than getting them to agree to make D.C. a state.

I have some strong doubts about basing my vote on the hope of voter revolution
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I am supporting someone I think will accomplish stuff. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #1
Me too. And my very close second so far is Warren. we can do it Feb 2019 #70
Me three Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #75
I'm with ya. SKKY Feb 2019 #121
Mahalo for this from the WaPo, Goth.. Cha Feb 2019 #2
Bernie looks a lot thinner than he did before. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #6
Dramatic weight loss you say? Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #97
I noticed that too. cwydro Feb 2019 #113
Maybe it's CrossFit or Zumba or P90X ... with all that weight loss, he must be RIPPED!! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #114
I'm on a train traveling in Ireland with a glass of wine, and I almost spewed it over my seat mates. cwydro Feb 2019 #116
His face looks smoother too NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #118
You GO, Bernie! radical noodle Mar 2019 #126
Some further context. lapucelle Feb 2019 #57
Thank You for that additional context and information Cha Feb 2019 #58
I remember that editorial Gothmog Feb 2019 #73
That's a thoughtful tweet. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #64
I know what I learned, it's like 2016 all over again. LisaM Feb 2019 #3
Ugh.. another reason I appreciate Not Cha Feb 2019 #4
Actually Bernie got a lot less coverage than Hillary. Or Trump. scipan Feb 2019 #8
So true... but why let facts stand in the way of bashing Bernie?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #17
Nobody is bashing Bernie. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #23
Speak for yourself ;) - nt. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #102
Ha! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #104
Are all Bernie supporters on a 24/7 pity pot? It seems that way. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #46
Not on social media. Russia and the Kochs made Hortensis Feb 2019 #77
Nobody said otherwise. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #22
No, she ACTUALLY said two sentences. House of Roberts Feb 2019 #42
No she didn't. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #44
I meant that I felt like whenever I turned on those networks, I saw one or the other. LisaM Feb 2019 #88
I know exactly what you mean. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #91
I've even given up on Town Halls. They're so obnoxious. LisaM Feb 2019 #92
Again... we are in complete agreement there. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #94
Gwen Ifill WeekiWater Feb 2019 #107
I am glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle Gothmog Feb 2019 #30
Burlington College came up and was hammered here. Sanders has been vetted. Republicans/not vetted. The Wielding Truth Feb 2019 #36
So much for Senator Sanders' warning to supporters. Gothmog Feb 2019 #38
Oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska? namahage Feb 2019 #99
Senator Bernie Sanders did not vote, but would have voted for the sanctions. The Wielding Truth Feb 2019 #111
He attended one hour of an all-day meeting. KitSileya Feb 2019 #112
Okay. That's a point against him. I didn't know he also voted against sanctions on Russia before. The Wielding Truth Feb 2019 #117
Sanders will get no pass... NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #119
I think that Bernie Sanders looms large at this time. David__77 Feb 2019 #33
Very large... that's why they fear him and must take Bernie down... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #41
Nobody fears Bernie. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #61
My only fear is to try to understand why Putin preferred sanders Gothmog Feb 2019 #74
We don't fear Bernie. We fear those who will believe him Hortensis Feb 2019 #78
+1 betsuni Feb 2019 #79
Yeah, I think it was MSNBC that switched to an empty podium on Trump Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #35
Not from where I stood. His rallies were extensively covered. LisaM Feb 2019 #81
Don't come in here w/ facts... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #85
Huh.... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #83
... lapucelle Feb 2019 #103
That looks about right NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #120
Nailed it. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #5
Exactly! Nice pie in the sky, BS.. Cha Feb 2019 #7
So has Kamala said how she would get her promises passed? scipan Feb 2019 #10
I haven't seen anything from Kamala Cha Feb 2019 #15
Harris., Klobuchar and the other senators have better records so far Gothmog Feb 2019 #16
Thanks, Goth! Cha Feb 2019 #20
Not counting on a voter revolution appears to be far more effective Gothmog Feb 2019 #28
Good to know! Cha Feb 2019 #34
Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #19
How many new voters need to magically appear for this revolution to work? Gothmog Feb 2019 #27
You're about to see... don't worry, there's always room on the bandwagon for one more... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #29
That response does not answer the question Gothmog Feb 2019 #39
It's the primaries-equivalent of the dismissive "I'll pray for you" response... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #43
I am really curious to find out how this voter revolution works Gothmog Mar 2019 #125
It's the selling of a fantasy... but if it won't work in the real world, I'm not buying. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #127
Has Kamala been making promises on Capitol Hill since 1991? ehrnst Feb 2019 #67
Scipan, this is a SERIOUS and enduring Sanders issue. Hortensis Feb 2019 #95
All talk about what we "oughta" do and what we "needa" do... but no realistic plans. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #12
Yes, Hillary and her amazingly intelligent Cha Feb 2019 #18
This is why I am still genuinely BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Feb 2019 #109
Thanks for sharing that link. It's VERY important, and VERY true. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #110
K&R brer cat Feb 2019 #9
The author's observations are a fairly accurate representation. Thanks! George II Feb 2019 #11
... Scurrilous Feb 2019 #13
Washington Post-Opinion: Are Democrats going to let Sanders get away with this? Gothmog Feb 2019 #14
What's he hiding? Why the delays and excuses? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #21
If he had just released them there wouldn't Cha Feb 2019 #24
Maybe he thinks we'd behave like his followers. Hortensis Feb 2019 #80
Karma! Cha Feb 2019 #93
"We have to do just a few more little things" Maven Feb 2019 #32
Perhaps he's being audited. tinrobot Feb 2019 #40
Imagine the conspiracy theories if a Democrat did that! betsuni Feb 2019 #60
That's the problem with all his grand ideas. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #25
It has echos of his 2016 interview with the Daily News still_one Feb 2019 #26
yeah. It's almost like voters don't matter when it concerns legislation Kurt V. Feb 2019 #31
From your link. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #37
"Democrats will need to be above reproach." Cha Feb 2019 #50
Yep. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #51
Still Punishing Sanders for Running in 2016 McKim Feb 2019 #45
Amen to that ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #48
How does this voter revolution work? Gothmog Mar 2019 #122
You have to get as many progressive Democrats in office as possible ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #123
That is not how sanders describe this voter revolution Gothmog Mar 2019 #124
I hope we have as many Democrats in Congress as well ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #129
".. punishing.. "? The WaPo is calling him OUT Cha Feb 2019 #49
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #65
Always good to hear opposing viewpoints ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #47
Yes srobertss Feb 2019 #52
Another listener to MR. A smart one I see. ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #55
MR keeps me sane srobertss Feb 2019 #63
I, too, have been concerned that when the only plan is a "popular revolution", nothing will be Nitram Feb 2019 #53
He's asking for citizens to get involved billpolonsky Feb 2019 #54
It's pie on the sky. What matters is who controls the House and the Senate. pnwmom Feb 2019 #101
So says the mouthpiece for the richest man in America-Jeff Bezos. jalan48 Feb 2019 #56
Well, it's starting again. Mr. Evil Feb 2019 #59
The nominee needs to be the candidate who can beat trump Gothmog Feb 2019 #72
No, he isn't more of a Democrat than Joe Manchin, and here's why. pnwmom Feb 2019 #100
"I hope that my Republican colleagues do the right thing." betsuni Feb 2019 #62
Yes, it most certainly was, betsuni.. Cha Feb 2019 #66
I am glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle Gothmog Mar 2019 #130
Cheers to That.. he's Cha Mar 2019 #131
Marty Barron is continuing the good work that he started at The Boston Globe, ehrnst Feb 2019 #68
Magical thinking. yardwork Feb 2019 #69
I still want to know how this voter revolution works Gothmog Feb 2019 #71
He wasn't asked the hard questions the last time, this time he will be. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #76
He doesn't like dealing with people who don't trust him unconditionally. honest.abe Feb 2019 #87
If he gets angry about obvious questions from Democrats just think comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #89
"I did not watch this town hall" disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #82
According the ratings most people did not watch this show Gothmog Feb 2019 #84
I trust the wash post.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #86
Then why hasn't there been this "Revolution" in Vermont? R B Garr Feb 2019 #90
...and then a miracle happens.... Adrahil Feb 2019 #96
Anyone can read things from a wish-list. I guess I just have higher standards... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #98
me too! Adrahil Feb 2019 #105
I like living in the real world and I am not comfortable relying on magical voter revolutions Gothmog Feb 2019 #108
Same. NT Adrahil Feb 2019 #115
The revolution needs to undergo an evolution. NT WeekiWater Feb 2019 #106
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