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26. estimates
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020

DEATHS
The late and widely respected University of Hawaii historian R. J. Rummel, ..., reported in 1987 that credible estimates of the Castro regime’s death toll ran from 35,000 to 141,000, with a median of 73,000.

Yet the Cuba Archive, ... uses a much lower figure of 7,193...
“Those are the ones we’ve documented, using either information released by the government or the testimony of eyewitnesses, not hearsay or guesswork,” says Maria Werlau, the group’s president. “We know the numbers are much, much higher, but this is what we can actually document so far.”

... figuring out what deaths to include. The 5,000 or so executed in the immediate aftermath of Castro’s 1959 takeover — sometimes after kangaroo-court trials, sometimes without even that — are included in nearly everybody’s figures. (Figurative talk about a balance sheet for the human costs of the revolution turns quite literal when the executions are discussed; for a time during the 1960s, the Cuban government extracted most of the blood from the victims before they were shot, then sold it to other communist countries for $50 a pint.)

But what about the Cuban soldiers killed during Castro’s military adventures in Africa during the 1970s and 1980s? (The official death toll: 4,000. But a Cuban Air Force general who defected in 1987 put the number killed in Angola alone at 10,000.) And the county’s suicide rate has tripled under Castro. Should the 1,500 or so Cubans who kill themselves each year be included? If not all of them, how about the 10 a year who commit suicide — or die of medical neglect — in prison?

The largest number of deaths is believed to be those lost at sea trying to escape Cuba on makeshift rafts. For years, the Cuba Archive used an estimate worked up by Harvard-trained economist Armando Lago of about 77,000 rafter deaths by 2003.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html

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Joe Biden
Bernie's critics are trying to do a Hitler liked Sugar Fallacy booley Feb 2020 #1
Pinko commies always reveal themselves bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #2
On the contrary, I had a Bernie supporter today unequivocably tell me that Bernie was a Marxist sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #27
Sanders' comments were made in the 1980s when Castro was still running rampant.... George II Feb 2020 #3
Link it. Prove it. Don't believe right wing official hype. ancianita Feb 2020 #5
Link what, prove what? We've all seen the comments of both and when they made them. George II Feb 2020 #6
What you claimed. Or take it back. ancianita Feb 2020 #12
estimates Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #26
Understanding context seems to be a lost art. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #7
President Obama is not going to save BS.. Cha Feb 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #15
Quit Bashing our Democratic Candidates who won in Swing Districts Cha Feb 2020 #17
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I meant what I said.. and Impeachment was Cha Feb 2020 #31
More Democrats are women than men. They don't have "cahones" (cojones), they have persistence. George II Feb 2020 #19
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So I take it you don't think women have the ability to lead or be unified? ehrnst Feb 2020 #22
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This was explained to you in this post ehrnst Feb 2020 #24
Excellent question! Cha Feb 2020 #32
Interesting - the post I was responding to was self-deleted. Maybe they had ehrnst Feb 2020 #33
Yeah, that's weird.. maybe thinks Nancy did the right Cha Feb 2020 #38
So those things Obama was talking about happened AFTER the 80s Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #28
Please read up on Cuban history. Thanks. George II Feb 2020 #29
Nah, I think I'm good. You might want to let go of Cold War Propaganda, though. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #30
And Bernie was talking about a program that was political indoctrination. ehrnst Feb 2020 #34
Which magically became not political indoctrination Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #35
The program ended after 8 months... ehrnst Feb 2020 #36
Thank you for the instructions, ehrnst! Booom. Cha Feb 2020 #39
Copying and pasting that numerous times doesn't change the facts. ehrnst Feb 2020 #37
Bernie and Barack know Cuba. What they say about it is the truth Americans need to hear. ancianita Feb 2020 #4
Yes they do, NOW. But Sanders' comments in the 1970s and 1980s show that at the time he did not.... George II Feb 2020 #9
Niggling. It's the double standard of "the perfect being the enemy of the good." Bernie and many ancianita Feb 2020 #13
Sanders was talking about Cuba in the '60s, '70s, into the '80s. Obama was talking about Cuba... George II Feb 2020 #21
The thing that irritates me most about this Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #16
How long ago was Bernie's "march with MLK?" A lot longer ago. ehrnst Feb 2020 #25
it's non issue IMO nt msongs Feb 2020 #10
THANK YOU! It should be! ancianita Feb 2020 #14
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