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ehrnst

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121. Well, Sanders was very involved in the marxist Socialist Worker Party. Anyone who thinks
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:22 AM
Feb 2020

that won't be brought up in a GE constantly by the GOP is naive.

Six months after the 1980 election, on May 21, 1981, Sanders spoke at another Pulley rally. “For the last 40 years,” Sanders said, “the Socialist Workers Party has… been harassed, informed upon, had their offices broken into, had members of their party fired from their jobs, and have been treated with cold contempt by the United States government.” Even worse, he went on, apparently referring to the Iranian hostage crisis, “now anybody who stands up and fights and says things is automatically a terrorist.” He claimed that he had been investigated himself by the FBI because “I was an elector for the Socialist Workers Party,” referring to his formal role in the 1980 election with the Trotskyists.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. Asked about the SWP in 1988, Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington and a congressional candidate, talked down the connection, saying that: “I was asked to put my name on the ballot and I did, that’s true." Today, no mention of Sanders’ association with the SWP appears in any campaign biography he has issued. But Sanders remained tied to the party after 1980. He was a featured speaker at a Boston rally for the SWP’s Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate and the party’s slate for Congress in 1982, the year after he was narrowly elected mayor of Burlington. In 1984, he again spoke on behalf of the SWP’s presidential candidate, this time former Black Panther Mel Mason, telling The Militant that “at a time when the Democratic and Republican parties are intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, it is imperative for radical voices to be heard which offer fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." It remains unclear when Sanders’s affiliation with the SWP ended.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders

Before anyone starts in with "that was so many years ago..." 1981 is far more recent than Bernie's participation in the MLK March on Washington, or being arrested in college at a protest that he promotes as a very relevant part of his social justice cred.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Voters have a handle on this. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #1
Sweet bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #5
So, you believe that your chosen candidate prefers power Bettie Feb 2020 #27
He didn't say that. Cha Feb 2020 #61
The statement is pretty clear: Bettie Feb 2020 #62
I doubt you're saying the power of a president is not real. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #105
I'm saying that running Bettie Feb 2020 #108
He's not the only Democratic candidate that cares about all people and wants to see their ehrnst Feb 2020 #8
Voters are exercising their options right now. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #24
So what do you think of the post that I was responding to? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #28
Post #1? Seems pretty innocuous. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #35
Reply #1, yes, that's the one I was responding to. What do you think of it? ehrnst Feb 2020 #40
So far, he has a lot less support than last time, and it looks like a brokered convention. pnwmom Feb 2020 #79
That's a very real possibility. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #106
I see: McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis didn't want to see people's lives improve? brooklynite Feb 2020 #13
I'm sure they did. Hillary probably did, too. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #36
"Probably did" ehrnst Feb 2020 #42
Welcome to DU. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #91
Yes, and more than 2/3 prefer someone else. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #78
True, but it's worse for other candidates jimfields33 Feb 2020 #86
Not for EW, for example. For many people she's their 2nd choice. Bernie is a hard no for many. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #89
Oops. Not so fast jimfields33 Feb 2020 #90
Bernie's strength has always been in the caucuses. In my state he won the caucuses pnwmom Feb 2020 #93
This primary was different since they gave 4 days of early voting jimfields33 Feb 2020 #98
And people had to stand in line for hours to do their voting. It still drew the most fervent voters pnwmom Feb 2020 #99
Goodness. I hope a state will be acceptable someday. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #100
There are only 6 states that still have caucuses, and 2 of them are featured among the first pnwmom Feb 2020 #102
No state that Bernie wins will EVER be acceptable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #107
I see that Washington state has ditched the caucus. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #109
THEY SURE DO!! Isn't democracy GREAT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #112
Absolutely!!!! jimfields33 Feb 2020 #120
It is dishonest to pretend his lifelong Socialist label won't matter on Election Day. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #2
Probably But It's A Moot Point corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #7
Yes, I've seen some pretty hare-brained assumptions too. ehrnst Feb 2020 #9
It's probably not smart to insult supporters of other candidates. Boulevardier Feb 2020 #32
Those who support Sanders are risking the future of our Nation on a Pipe Dream. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author luxpara4 Feb 2020 #52
Berners Wear The Democratic Socialist Badge With Beaming Pride corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #3
Focus on Democracy before they steal a strong central government from you bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #10
If By "Strong" You Mean "Fascist", I'm Forced To Concur corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #12
It appears you keep trying to change the topic to shoehorn favorite tweets into a thread. ehrnst Feb 2020 #16
Uncomfortable Truths Can Be Difficult To Grasp corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #20
So That's Why You Try To Change The Topic When They Come Up? ehrnst Feb 2020 #22
As Usual, You Have It 180 Degrees Backwards corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #63
Asked about their impression of socialism, 28% of adults said they have a favorable view, while 58% ehrnst Feb 2020 #14
The Far, Far, Far More Relevant Number Will Be How Former Republicans Will Vote In November corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #19
Another Evasion Of A Deeply Uncomfortable Truth? ehrnst Feb 2020 #26
Pot, Meet Kettle corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #64
sigh... ehrnst Feb 2020 #65
I Second Your Pshaw (n/t) corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #67
But Of Course, As You Have Nothing Else. ehrnst Feb 2020 #71
Just Balancing My Time corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #74
I think the far more relevant number LakeArenal Feb 2020 #38
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #66
All Are Welcome - That's Why Open Primaries Exist (n/t) corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #70
And corruptible and antiquated LakeArenal Feb 2020 #72
You're Welcome To Change The System corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #73
Oh you are so polite. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #75
Since Sanders Is The Victim Of The Corruption You Alege, I'm More A Saint Than Merely Polite corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #81
Oh, and sanctimonious as well. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #82
Santimonious? Having Facts On My Side Makes Me The Victor, Just As Bernie Will Be (n/t) corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #84
Add egomaniac. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #87
This is a war of dictators vs democracy bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #4
Hopefully Trump will lie and say Bernie is not a socialist dalton99a Feb 2020 #6
He's going to call all Democrats socialists ibegurpard Feb 2020 #29
Warren doesn't hand them ammunition like Bernie does. She firmly calls herself a capitalist. pnwmom Feb 2020 #54
Having been an elector and endorser in the Socialist Workers Party will be difficult for him to ehrnst Feb 2020 #11
He could claim his view have evolved Moderateguy Feb 2020 #15
He has scrubbed all bios of his involvement in WSP... ehrnst Feb 2020 #18
+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #21
It's terminology. "Socialist", "democratic socialist", and "social democrat" have fluid meanings. DanTex Feb 2020 #17
Not to a "big chunk" of people. ehrnst Feb 2020 #23
Nope, still wrong. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #33
There aren't established well-known meanings. DanTex Feb 2020 #37
So that's going to work for the GOP. ehrnst Feb 2020 #48
It doesn't matter ibegurpard Feb 2020 #25
And have for some time Bettie Feb 2020 #30
yep ibegurpard Feb 2020 #34
We don't need to unilaterally disarm, and hand them ammunition. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #80
That isn't new Shermann Feb 2020 #85
Republicans boy-who-cried-wolfed it ibegurpard Feb 2020 #88
I think the problem is that those saying "WE WON'T VOTE FOR A SOCIALIST" Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #31
His supporters may but the majority of GE voters won't vote for a socialist even if the word... brush Feb 2020 #39
Explain that to soccer mom or many of the low information voters. OnDoutside Feb 2020 #45
If you're still explaining... you're losing. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #46
Well, Sanders was very involved in the marxist Socialist Worker Party. Anyone who thinks ehrnst Feb 2020 #121
CNN-Bernie Sanders misled America. Voters aren't comfortable with a socialist President Gothmog Feb 2020 #41
That bell is not going to be unrung but I do not think Sanders or supporters care how that hurts krissey Feb 2020 #43
It's shocking how many people fell for the Democratic Socialist ruse OnDoutside Feb 2020 #44
DSA is not a party, not "Democratic Socialist Party of America." David__77 Feb 2020 #49
If Bernie is the Democratic nominee Progressive dog Feb 2020 #50
if 53 percent aren't willing to vote for a socialist then all Democrats are doomed ibegurpard Feb 2020 #51
That is simply not true Progressive dog Feb 2020 #55
He voted for Marxist influenced candadates evertonfc Feb 2020 #53
are we pretending that the peoples republuc of china is a republic? rampartc Feb 2020 #56
Of course he supports a mixed economy? Then why doesn't he say what Warren does? pnwmom Feb 2020 #59
Look what they labeled Romney for voting against trump. We all know he's hardcore repub. brutus smith Feb 2020 #57
Imagine a primary without Sanders. defacto7 Feb 2020 #58
Yeah, and why is that? Cha Feb 2020 #60
This is exactly what he called himself when he first started running Peacetrain Feb 2020 #68
Yeah, it's a mystery Cha Feb 2020 #69
The elephant in the room so to speak still_one Feb 2020 #76
None so blind as he who will not see! LakeArenal Feb 2020 #77
Do you believe Sanders is a Marxist who seeks state control of the means of production? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #83
I don't know what's in his heart of hearts. I DO know his chosen BRANDING. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #94
"Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible." Ron Green Feb 2020 #92
That won't help us to fight climate change-- which is the biggest battle in front of us now. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #96
Guilty as charged. Laelth Feb 2020 #95
It's his brand, and if he's the nominee, it will be a brand smeared on the rest of the party, too. n pnwmom Feb 2020 #97
Peace, pnwmom. Laelth Feb 2020 #103
I'm getting closer and closer to picking Sanders as my choice - we need bold new ideas walkingman Feb 2020 #101
As the official operator of the Bernie Bandwagon, I would be happy to welcome you aboard!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #114
He doesn't call himself a Socialist Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #104
Democratic Socialists are SOCIALISTS. You can read all about it, and their support of Bernie, pnwmom Feb 2020 #110
I did just that Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #113
Thanks for the second paragraph, proving that they're all about socialism, which is what you were pnwmom Feb 2020 #115
We don't have pure capitalism, fortunately. Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #117
Why don't we stop branding ourselves as socialists when we know that will lose millions of pnwmom Feb 2020 #119
Everyone's participation in Bernie's political revolution is appreciated. It's a Big Tent... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #118
Yeah be sure and get that memo to the media and trump campaign so they keep it straight. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #111
Yes, but I expect certain degrees of spin and dishonesty from them Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #116
The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad against socialism and sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #122
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