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Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
76. I guess Democrats can't be trusted on social security
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jan 2020

Same as the republicans apparently.

Yea that’s sarcasm, but that is a message some will take from this.

We really can’t agree that any democratic candidate would be better than republicans on this and any other issue? We ought to be pummeling republicans on social security and healthcare issues not each other.

I don’t worry one bit that Biden is going to cut social security or not work to improve healthcare. I know the republicans will. I don’t worry that sanders would veto a plan enacted by congress that fell way short of his positions but improved either.

The irony to me is all the policy differences between the candidates probably don’t matter. What gets enacted depends on keeping the house and how much we improve in the senate. Even if we do great we only have 2 years before midterms. If we don’t win the midterms most of our agenda will stall.

The only democratic positions I vehemently hold are that democratic policy is better than republican and that the more we can run up our totals the more of our agenda will get enacted. The bigger our majority the more progressive the resulting policies will be. Not necessarily the reverse.

The arguments between the “excite people with far reaching agenda” and the “don’t over promise and don’t scare the squares” teams are devolving into bickering.

The last thing I’ll say is that rather than living abroad for a year for cultural enrichment, americans should spend a year in a major city and a small town. Arguments that work very well in one don’t work at all in the other.

I really hate primary season.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
sigh - that Republican VP BS again NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #1
I don't think someone as inexperienced as AOC understands her message only resonates with those Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #4
Are you saying Biden supporters are closing their minds to the facts? LonePirate Jan 2020 #16
Everyone knows Biden voted for the war...and? It was 20 years ago and here's the thing...it is not Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47
Facts? Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #57
lol, facts of decades ago do you mean vs last 20 years? Last 10 years? beachbumbob Jan 2020 #78
I think she understands that very well AND it's both Hortensis Jan 2020 #39
Palin could and did run for governor...there is not way AOC will win a governor's race in New York. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #51
AOC's sounding radical off the liberal edge, not at all typical. Hortensis Jan 2020 #60
+1 hlthe2b Jan 2020 #6
Sanders voted for Afghanistan and for regime change in Iraq...Damn I really used to like her, Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #2
Sanders voted AGAINST the use of force in Iraq. Let's at least be accurate here. James48 Jan 2020 #23
He voted for regime change in Iraq so his hands are not clean on this...one Democrat voted against Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #54
Let's be accurate?? This thread is nothing more than doctored videos and distortion!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #61
All that has already been distributed by Sirota and BrieBrie and dismissed as false or exaggerated.. George II Jan 2020 #3
I don't think his apology was ever intended to trickle down to them padah513 Jan 2020 #14
In fact Sirota and BrieBrie have intensified the attacks; this is a new entry into the attack pack. George II Jan 2020 #17
we will call this the "boomerang effect" lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #40
This is true, Democrats have no patience for these kinds of attacks in this go round. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #103
You beat me to it PatSeg Jan 2020 #88
Has she figured out who Al Gore is yet? R B Garr Jan 2020 #5
Inasmuch as the House won't be in session until next week, one would think she'd be busy.... George II Jan 2020 #8
Right, I don't understand why some folks run as if R B Garr Jan 2020 #27
All the Bernie surrogates are desperate. MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #7
Will they pledge to vote for the nominee, though? question everything Jan 2020 #11
I wonder if AOC... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #9
+1000! Facts are such a pesky thing! JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #10
Yes they are, but not as pesky as false accusations, as we've seen recently. George II Jan 2020 #19
Yes facts are such pesky little things... there's nothing factual in the OP Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #63
Sometimes you need to read a little deeper, like click the links. JudyM Jan 2020 #86
I don't understand why some people think ONLY the internet exists and can't be bothered to fact highplainsdem Jan 2020 #12
Right, and Tweets are not facts. See Trump for proof R B Garr Jan 2020 #15
For the most part a member of congress' constituents don't contact the congressperson.... George II Jan 2020 #22
They can even do that fact checking on the internet! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #83
Well said! PatSeg Jan 2020 #89
So unfair and desperate to use his own words against him. Autumn Jan 2020 #13
.. m-lekktor Jan 2020 #20
Yes it's desperate for sanders to use his own words against himself!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #64
But it's all doctored. Yet no one seems to be able to put up the "undoctored" videos where Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #82
I think other things are desperate too. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #104
AOC has a little over 6 million twitter followers so this was viewed by a few people for sure. nt m-lekktor Jan 2020 #18
That's interesting, she only has about 700K constituents (including infants and children)... George II Jan 2020 #25
Those followers are looking at her to make fun of her,she speaks out too much. virgogal Jan 2020 #29
What do you consider too much? What has she said that you feel is too much? Perseus Jan 2020 #46
It makes you wonder if we can post some little R B Garr Jan 2020 #31
Oh I see.. cause she has a biggg twitter following, that makes what she says okay?? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #65
Well she best move to that twitter district because she is not going to last here in NY. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #105
This is not helpful, AOC mcar Jan 2020 #21
Some of us see facts and truth as being very helpful. Autumn Jan 2020 #24
Sadly much of what was posted on twitter (and reproduced in the OP) are not "facts" or "truth". George II Jan 2020 #28
So you keep saying George. Some of us actually remember details so spin and parsing doesn't sway us Autumn Jan 2020 #30
So why did Sanders half-heartedly apologize the other day, Autumn? George II Jan 2020 #36
He was being polite George? I personally think he shouldn't have but that was his choice . Autumn Jan 2020 #38
How about he was WRONG. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #106
You may think he was wrong. Others don't share your opinion. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #112
That had nothing to do with any of these facts presented here melman Jan 2020 #50
I know, there were very few facts in AOC's barrage of tweets. And she's paying for it on twitter. George II Jan 2020 #80
Go on George, speak your truth. I'll speak mine. Autumn Jan 2020 #55
Again... they aren't factual!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #69
Which is why it's important to hear Clinton's facts R B Garr Jan 2020 #48
Nope, Hillary is doing a lot of damage Perseus Jan 2020 #52
No. Sanders is the one doing the damage. It's R B Garr Jan 2020 #56
Yes sanders is doing lots of damage. Hillary did the right thing. Voters need to hear the truth Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #71
Joe Biden supporters, if, if Biden wins the nomination, don't complain if Bernie supporters Perseus Jan 2020 #93
What? mcar Jan 2020 #99
Wow, that is really a patronizing/sexist example. eilen Jan 2020 #115
You want facts? Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #58
What's posted isn't facts!! Think again Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #67
I see them as fact, you don't and that does nothing to change my point of view. I don't have to Autumn Jan 2020 #70
It's more like hateful. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #102
Oh yes it is. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #98
Sanders (et al) are alienating the entire Democratic Party The Valley Below Jan 2020 #26
Senator Sanders is running under the Democratic party banner. You should take your problems Autumn Jan 2020 #35
You missed the point. He's running under the Democratic Party banner, representing.... George II Jan 2020 #37
No he's not. Many of us Democrats support him. Some of you don't. The party allowed it, deal with Autumn Jan 2020 #43
And yet he's falling in the polls - i.e., alienating Democrats and others. George II Jan 2020 #44
lol melman Jan 2020 #49
lol George II Jan 2020 #59
Sanders is really doing very poorly Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #79
You wish he was falling in the polls. "If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets." Autumn Jan 2020 #53
Oh George, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. He's going up in the polls. Autumn Jan 2020 #74
Sanders is doing that job for us. He and his surrogates are alienating every wing of the party. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #68
No we don't need him. He will,soon be going home to VT....yeah!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #72
That's what they want.. Their main job is to hurt Democrats nini Jan 2020 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #32
How is she doing with constituent services? murielm99 Jan 2020 #33
As a matter of fact, I just called her office in Queens. It's mid-morning, NO ANSWER.... George II Jan 2020 #42
I give this... 5 Bazingas! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #34
Does she have a challenge for her office? Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #41
She has three - Jose Velazquez, Fernando Cabrera, and the first one to challenge, Badrun Khan.... George II Jan 2020 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #45
For the first eight years Biden was in the Senate (1973-1981), Sanders never held... George II Jan 2020 #62
Yep; that, and much much more. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #66
This!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #75
I guess Democrats can't be trusted on social security Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #76
THANK YOU MELMEN!! Great post... it's important to educate those who chose to ignore plain facts InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #81
You wanna talk about St. Bern's record now or later? Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #91
AOC's first meeting with President Biden next year will be awkward as all fuck... Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #84
AOC best be out front calling for party unity once Biden gets the nomination. oasis Jan 2020 #87
It's funny because she acts like we don't have receipts on St. Bern. Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #85
I was hoping AOC would use the google to educate herself on who was responsible for Iraq BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #90
The aim here is to take over the Dem Party or destroy it delisen Jan 2020 #92
AOC needs to learn how to internet better Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #94
lol melman Jan 2020 #96
She is getting roasted on her thread. Dems are DISGUSTED. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #108
Because she's way out of fucking line and everyone knows it Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #113
Hey, @AOC , we'll be looking for your social security attack ad on Bernie. Gothmog Jan 2020 #97
Bradley Whitford had the PERFECT response to her: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #100
Fred Guttenberg tweet about Whitford's tweet: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #107
Self delete for promoting right wing talking points. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #101
Yes the internet does exist. Gothmog Jan 2020 #109
AOC 2028!!! David__77 Jan 2020 #110
The internet giveth and the internet taketh away. RandySF Jan 2020 #111
That is rich.. eilen Jan 2020 #114
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