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Uncle Joe

(58,363 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:47 AM Aug 2019

Bernie Sanders can beat Trump [View all]



When trying to guess which candidate will be strongest against Donald Trump in 2020, you would be equally well-served by a dowsing rod, Ouija board, tea leaves, or deck of tarot cards as you would by the informed judgment of cable news pundits or political reporters. Yet polls show the Democratic primary electorate, apparently still scarred by Trump's surprise win in 2016, are attempting cast their own political yarrow stalks by lining up whoever has the best chance to win next year.

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Polls are obviously rather fluid at this early stage in the election cycle, but they're also the only data we have on how candidates would stack up against Trump in a head-to-head race. They have consistently shown Sanders ahead of Trump by about 5 points (while former vice president Joe Biden is ahead by about 8 points). Sanders' approval rating has also been consistently in the mid-50s, with disapproval in the high 30s. That is far, far better than either Trump's or Hillary Clinton's numbers in 2016.

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The point is that despite his shocking come-from-behind victory and awful carnage he has inflicted as president, Donald Trump is eminently beatable. Yet the Democratic base seems to be stuck in a terrified crouch, desperately playing amateur pundit to deny Trump a second term by any means necessary — as Biden supporters tell reporters. (Why anybody would trust pundit-style prognosticating, professional or otherwise, after that backfired disastrously in 2016 is beyond me, but that's a topic for another article.)

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America very badly needs a president who is not just another establishment stooge in thrall to plutocrats to undo the damage of Trump and 30 years of neoliberal corrosion. Turning back the clock to 2015 is not remotely good enough. America needs a stubborn, aggressive fighter, someone who will be as determined in protecting immigrants, minorities, and the poor as Trump is in harming them. Bernie Sanders could be that president — and all available data suggests he would be basically as strong as Biden against Trump. All Democratic voters have to do is shake off the Pundit Brain and go with the candidate whose record matches the party's stated values.

https://theweek.com/articles/858705/bernie-sanders-beat-trump


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Bernie Sanders can beat Trump [View all] Uncle Joe Aug 2019 OP
Too bad he needs to get the nomination to see if that is true still_one Aug 2019 #1
Same thing can be said for any of our candidates. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #45
Absolutely. However, when a campaign hires people to high positions in that campaign who actively still_one Aug 2019 #46
Maybe. But, Can He Beat Biden? MineralMan Aug 2019 #2
In a fair fight, yes. roody Aug 2019 #3
Ah, so it's "rigged" again? MineralMan Aug 2019 #4
"In a fair fight, yes." Botany Aug 2019 #5
How is the fight not fair? George II Aug 2019 #6
"How is the fight not fair?" Botany Aug 2019 #8
From the Washington Post-The GOP is giddy about running against a socialist Gothmog Aug 2019 #16
In a fair fight, NO, are you insinuating Biden is not running a fair race. JOE IS HONORABLE !!1 trueblue2007 Aug 2019 #19
Abso-fuckin-lutely!! Biden is fading fast... no surprise!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #28
Can you point to where he's fading fast? Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #29
Another knee slapper! BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #43
Yep, they're going to do it again. ... No doubt about it uponit7771 Aug 2019 #47
Of course not, Super Delegates bahrbearian Aug 2019 #7
I think so. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #9
I think we have numerous candidates who can beat Trump more easily than they can beat Biden. (nt) thesquanderer Aug 2019 #14
Disclaimer: This is in the "Opinion" section. George II Aug 2019 #10
Ann Coulter Says Democrats Would 'Slaughter Trump' With Bernie Sanders's Anti-Immigration Position TomCADem Aug 2019 #11
What more does Biden Prosper Aug 2019 #12
Socialism polls badly Gothmog Aug 2019 #17
Socialism is used as an excuse Prosper Aug 2019 #48
Donald Trump is the "status quo" now. n/t emulatorloo Aug 2019 #37
Socialist B. Sanders, non-Democrat? Could any candidate have less down ticket muscle? empedocles Aug 2019 #13
I have to agree with you Fresh_Start Aug 2019 #27
Bottom line is the exaggeration Prosper Aug 2019 #42
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world Gothmog Aug 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #18
Well if there is one thing we can trust, it's GOP data. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #20
Washington Post-Democrats back off once-fervent embrace of Medicare-for-all Gothmog Aug 2019 #21
Yes WAPO uses right wing talking points in there polls, Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #22
So the polling cited is wrong? Gothmog Aug 2019 #23
I'm stating they have been using right wing talking points. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #24
How are these facts wrong? Gothmog Aug 2019 #25
Ask anyone if they support Medicare for All with absolutely no qualifiers and the approval rating Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #34
So if one isn't honest about what M4M is, it polls higher? emulatorloo Aug 2019 #38
The not given question in my scenario is being honest. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #39
not once the GOP start hitting Bernie where it hurts Fresh_Start Aug 2019 #26
... NYMinute Aug 2019 #30
In a solid blue state. A socialist has no chance in a swing state. nt doc03 Aug 2019 #31
Mark my words...Sanders will NEVER be POTUS lunamagica Aug 2019 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #33
Maybe..but he can't beat VP Biden or Sen.Warren to get to dumpster. I appreciate Sen Sanders... AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #35
Hmm no Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2019 #36
This paragraph tells the story ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #40
Lol LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #41
No he can't...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #44
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