Democratic Primaries

shanny

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140. Yeah, they did. We are just going to continue to disagree on this. So it goes.

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #139)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:46 PM

Jun 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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"We cannot return to the past. We cannot simply be about defeating Donald Trump," Beto O'Rourke [View all] demmiblue Jun 2019 OP

This is true. McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #1

Are you kidding...it only about beating Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #2

I know FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Nothing else matters if we don't beat him!!! nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #5

Exactly...the idea that anyone can beat Trump is simply untrue...it will be tough. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #12

All we have to do is overcome 77,740 votes... SKKY Jun 2019 #53

Generals always fight the last war, don't fight the last campaign. marylandblue Jun 2019 #62

We can't beat Trump unless we give people something to vote FOR Indygram Jun 2019 #20

The voters that we need will not be swayed by a green new deal or MFA...these are losing isses in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #23

I am a moderate Independent and I prefer Beto over anyone else Indygram Jun 2019 #30

Beto needs to inspire a whole lot more people to make a dent. Does not seem plausible - sorry. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #71

I supported Beto in his failed Senate run and his Presidential roll out. redstateblues Jun 2019 #85

Beto is faring just fine on the ground Indygram Jun 2019 #86

Beto won't be around in 2820. RLG Jun 2019 #87

No attempt. I was serious. It was a typo. I meant 2028 redstateblues Jun 2019 #94

In 2028, the will be pols who are Beto's age now. RLG Jun 2019 #98

So, you don't want the Greens? shanny Jun 2019 #111

No, Climate change...but no progect labeled green new deal...which is a bad document in my opinion Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #135

my question was: do you not want Green voters? shanny Jun 2019 #137

Now that people have experienced Dotard in the Oval Office treestar Jun 2019 #33

Are YOU kidding? We had six years of division, animosity, and gridlock before marylandblue Jun 2019 #77

I know. But I think he means the way to win is to talk about pocketbook issues. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #80

If unemployment is low, and the stock market high, Trump will win The Mouth Jun 2019 #84

I think the link between the economy and the vote is broken. marylandblue Jun 2019 #103

I am as Atheistic (and anti-theistic) as a human can be The Mouth Jun 2019 #104

if so, you are setting the bar too low shanny Jun 2019 #110

We have to stop Trump...period. Hope we get the Senate...but it is a longshot...we live in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #134

that's your view shanny Jun 2019 #138

No they didn't The left left Stein voters got us where we are today...not enough to win but Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #139

Yeah, they did. We are just going to continue to disagree on this. So it goes. shanny Jun 2019 #140

yep...exactly! if we dont beat trump nothing else matters.. samnsara Jun 2019 #128

Beto, Beto, Beto....don't do this SummerSnow Jun 2019 #3

Yeah PatSeg Jun 2019 #11

I know, why can they not stump for themselves without cutting down the others? treestar Jun 2019 #35

Why not? Would you rather he throws in the towel? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #54

I saw him on Colbert last night customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #63

What did he do that was wrong? RLG Jun 2019 #88

the election MUSH be a referendum on trump & his corruption. That doesn't mean that themaguffin Jun 2019 #4

Of course not.. it's Cha Jun 2019 #8

I saw parts of this interview and I'm disgusted with what he said about the Obama years. I don't UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #6

oh oh.. what did he say Cha Jun 2019 #7

I missed the interview but the only thing I've ever heard him say about Obama years was immigration Indygram Jun 2019 #21

Yep, blind loyalty to any political figure never does anyone any good nt. liskddksil Jun 2019 #37

Bernie talks about going back to FDR, but no word on that... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #9

Do you have a quote for that? n/t TCJ70 Jun 2019 #10

There was something on MSNBC PatSeg Jun 2019 #14

That sounds different than whatever... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #36

Excuse me. I don't need a quote. Are you saying you never heard bernie Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #16

Woah. Relax. You made a claim and I asked for a quote... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #38

Blah blah blah. Did you all on your own look up the quote? Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #40

how horrible that would be: shanny Jun 2019 #112

Downplaying the significance of beating Trump and instead attacking fellow Democrats... W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #13

+1! Cha Jun 2019 #17

Absolutely not is right PatSeg Jun 2019 #18

Texas Already Has A Great Candidate in M.J. Hegar liskddksil Jun 2019 #42

Well PatSeg Jun 2019 #46

Good for you. I watch no cable news. They're all awful. marylandblue Jun 2019 #119

Yes PatSeg Jun 2019 #121

Those weren't attacks Indygram Jun 2019 #31

They were attacks. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #92

Fill me in. How exactly is Beto attacking other Democrats? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #55

It doesn't matter. Beto is a punching bag for other candidates's supporters. RLG Jun 2019 #89

+1. It's a freakin' feeding frenzy dalton99a Jun 2019 #107

Watch Morning Joe. Unprovoked, he went after Biden. The posted clip shows part of the attacks. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #91

he answered a question Indygram Jun 2019 #96

Yes, that's why I know he brought up Biden unprovoked. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #99

He was asked a question and answered Indygram Jun 2019 #109

im sure they all are going to eff up a little bit here and there... samnsara Jun 2019 #127

'The past' is only 3 years ago. They act like it was 1970. mr_liberal Jun 2019 #15

yes, that was a terrible time, on all fronts shanny Jun 2019 #113

???? I will take the past just fine if it means no more trump and NO MORE GOP beachbum bob Jun 2019 #19

Beto you look Rebl2 Jun 2019 #22

This is a primary election not a a coronation liskddksil Jun 2019 #24

Nobody is talking about "coronation" Cha Jun 2019 #25

Can you please tell Cha Jun 2019 #29

It wasn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it sound Indygram Jun 2019 #34

I started a thread with a link to the full interview Indygram Jun 2019 #43

Honest to Pete..this just makes me sad.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #26

Beto isn't the only candidate using this "past" and "normalcy" frame... Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #41

This whole thing about a 'return to normalcy' melman Jun 2019 #58

Please, yourself. It's the putting normalcy as something that's to be Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #60

"give me some of the old fashioned" melman Jun 2019 #61

This country has been becoming more and more abnormal since 1980. marylandblue Jun 2019 #106

it's hilarious shanny Jun 2019 #114

Obviously Beto is not angling to be Biden's Veep. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #27

good thing. Biden won't be needing a Veep. shanny Jun 2019 #115

The nominee should multitask--against Trump & also move us forward essadaw Jun 2019 #28

+1. dalton99a Jun 2019 #122

Also, Beto is the only one TRULY battle tested in a similar race like it will be with Trump Indygram Jun 2019 #123

It is about getting Dotard out of there treestar Jun 2019 #32

I like Beto awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #39

I suggest you watch the entire interview and not just this clip Indygram Jun 2019 #44

Will do when I have the time. Thanks. awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #56

Beto was the first candidate to come out with a Climate Plan Indygram Jun 2019 #57

You don't have to sell me on Beto. awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #73

And I'm a moderate Independent and love Beto too Indygram Jun 2019 #81

FULL VIDEO HERE (Context matters) Indygram Jun 2019 #45

+1 dalton99a Jun 2019 #90

The negative reactions here show why O'Rourke and others must take this approach. marylandblue Jun 2019 #47

Excellent response! nevergiveup Jun 2019 #49

Well said. shanny Jun 2019 #116

Reading some of the replies in this thread, it seems that people feel threatened Politicub Jun 2019 #48

Exactly...Trump "went back" and we need to go FORWARD Indygram Jun 2019 #51

Obama did not initiate big,bold,and visionary ideas. Yet he remains one of the most emmaverybo Jun 2019 #67

I think you do a good job advocating for Biden. Politicub Jun 2019 #69

His accomplishments were amazing. The ACA was amazing and as I had thought, despite all emmaverybo Jun 2019 #74

Yes - Once a century. So grateful to have experienced it. Politicub Jun 2019 #79

I appreciate your efforts evidenced in this post shanny Jun 2019 #117

If Mayor Pete had said this, everybody would love this. RLG Jun 2019 #50

I don't think that would be the case with everyone to be honest Indygram Jun 2019 #52

Pete said something about not going back to the 90s and DUers got very upset. marylandblue Jun 2019 #120

let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #59

Oh no crazytown Jun 2019 #64

it's clear he is talking about Biden. doesn't matter if he said the name or not JI7 Jun 2019 #65

It matters because Beto is providing a sound bite. crazytown Jun 2019 #66

Beto mentioned specific differences he had on immigration JI7 Jun 2019 #68

Beating Trump should be Objective #1-10. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #70

Yes it is about beating Trump JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #72

I like Beto and contributed to him on his first day but his comments of Obama will hurt him Gothmog Jun 2019 #75

His "criticism" was that Obama deported 400k people, which is true Indygram Jun 2019 #82

Gracias for that, Gothmog! I know you Cha Jun 2019 #101

These comments hurt Beto with me and will hurt Beto with other Obama supporters Gothmog Jun 2019 #108

What exactly did he say that wasn't true? Indygram Jun 2019 #118

Defeating Trump is a good and necessary start, but what else is he gonna say so he can segue emmaverybo Jun 2019 #76

He's not wrong but beating Trump is by far the comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #78

It takes more than going back to 11:59 am Jan 19, 2017 to undo the damage dalton99a Jun 2019 #83

I'll take the Obama past over a Trump future. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #93

I'm tired of the Obama/Clinton bashing Bhkylib Jun 2019 #95

he didn't bash Obama Indygram Jun 2019 #97

+1. He was always respectful of Obama dalton99a Jun 2019 #100

You are wrong, Beto....... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #102

Should we return to the gridlock of Obama's 2nd term? marylandblue Jun 2019 #125

I agree, not just about trump kacekwl Jun 2019 #105

He is. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #124

can we at least go back 10 years into the past?? samnsara Jun 2019 #126

It all begins with defeating Trump, tho. sarabelle Jun 2019 #129

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There is something about Beto that I do not trust. The way he turned on Biden mfcorey1 Jun 2019 #131

Beto is the only one I do trust Indygram Jun 2019 #132

I've seen him in action in person dalton99a Jun 2019 #136

Trump does not need any fodder from Beto. marylandblue Jun 2019 #133

We're not "simply" about defeating Trump. MineralMan Jun 2019 #141