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Fiendish Thingy

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Mon Jun 3, 2019, 09:40 AM Jun 2019

Hard data shows a centrist Dem candidate would lose in 2020 [View all]

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/02/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-that-a-centrist-democrat-would-be-a-losing-candidate/


"Yet the Democratic Party and their mouthpieces at major newspapers are clearly not heeding Piketty's prophecy. Rather, TV pundits and op-ed writers of every major newspaper epitomize how the Democratic establishment has already reached a consensus: the 2020 nominee must be a centrist, a Joe Biden, Cory Booker or Kamala Harris–type, preferably. They say that Joe Biden should "run because [his] populist image fits the Democrats’ most successful political strategy of the past generation" (David Leonhardt, New York Times), and though Biden "would be far from an ideal president," he "looks most like the person who could beat Trump" (David Ignatius, Washington Post). Likewise, the same elite pundit class is working overtime to torpedo left-Democratic candidates like Sanders.

For someone who was not acquainted with Piketty's paper, the argument for a centrist Democrat might sound compelling. If the country has tilted to the right, should we elect a candidate closer to the middle than the fringe? If the electorate resembles a left-to-right line, and each voter has a bracketed range of acceptability in which they vote, this would make perfect sense. The only problem is that it doesn't work like that, as Piketty shows.

The reason is that nominating centrist Democrats who don't speak to class issues will result in a great swathe of voters simply not voting. Conversely, right-wing candidates who speak to class issues, but who do so by harnessing a false consciousness — e.g. blaming immigrants and minorities for capitalism's ills, rather than capitalists — will win back those same voters who would have voted for a more class-conscious left candidate. Piketty calls this a "bifurcated" voting situation, e.g. many voters will connect either with far-right xenophobic nationalists or left-egalitarian internationalists, but perhaps nothing

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Now, why hasn't the Democratic Party heeded Piketty's warning? I think you already know why. To quote Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." The donor base of the Democratic Party consists of a lot of pretty rich people who prefer the Democratic Party to be left on social issues but right on economic issues. The party elite see these wealthy folks as part of the party, and don't want to nominate a candidate who accurately sees them as class enemies. I wonder sometimes if there are Democratic Party eggheads working for the DNC who are aware of Piketty's prophecy but are not willing to risk evolving the party, lest they lose their benefactors."

Much more, including links to the hard data (over 100 pages!) at link...
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Thomas Frank did too. K&R BeckyDem Jun 2019 #1
This election is the Democratic Party's to lose... billpolonsky Jun 2019 #2
The home of HA Goodman says what? Salon has no credibility. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #3
You're lumping Thomas Piketty with H.A. Goodman? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #5
Pardon me for having an opinion that differs from yours. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #6
Lots of academics write lots of papers. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #18
Sorry. Picketty is a French Economist. MineralMan Jun 2019 #41
Have you read his paper? progressoid Jun 2019 #56
No, I have not, nor will I. MineralMan Jun 2019 #61
Piketty didn't write the Salon article. N/T lapucelle Jun 2019 #72
The Salon article is about, and links to Piketty's study Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #82
The article is simply a Salon writer's spin on a scholar's work. lapucelle Jun 2019 #83
I agree as to the reliable of Salon Gothmog Jun 2019 #90
Don't know about the data, but I do agree with KPN Jun 2019 #4
With Warren's record of real achievement and Hortensis Jun 2019 #16
Already have the centrist vote. Prosper Jun 2019 #7
The frightening aspect of Trump, and there are many, is how his appeal BeckyDem Jun 2019 #8
The 1% think once the takers & eaters are all gone - CrispyQ Jun 2019 #36
As a fellow taker and eater, that is likely what they believe! BeckyDem Jun 2019 #60
The powers that be are pulling out all the stops to ensure we do not see how well a liberal brewens Jun 2019 #58
+1 Go Vols Jun 2019 #67
One of these graphics represents the 2016 Democratic nominee, lapucelle Jun 2019 #73
If this analysis is correct then why is Biden leading in all the head-to-head polls against Trump? honest.abe Jun 2019 #9
Mondale was ahead of Reagan at this point in the cycle, IIRC nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #10
Mondale was never ahead. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #11
At this stage of the cycle Mondale was ahead 49-43 over Reagan crazytown Jun 2019 #32
And Glenn had a much larger lead than Mondale. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #39
Yes, just xprrecting a statement of fact. crazytown Jun 2019 #66
Yes - so, at this point there is no reason to believe Biden can't win. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #86
If his analysis is correct then why doesn't the effect show up now in the polls? honest.abe Jun 2019 #12
YRI NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #26
He can't predict the outcome of every election, but marylandblue Jun 2019 #24
Do you have a land line? If you do, do you have caller ID? If you do, do you pick it up.. aidbo Jun 2019 #42
Well, its possible the polls are wrong but I doubt it. honest.abe Jun 2019 #50
Who is being polled? Prosper Jun 2019 #88
Salon gleefully fueled the "Hillary is worse than Trump" garbage. LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #13
Trump tax cut Prosper Jun 2019 #89
Oh...it's Salon BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #14
Yup! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #62
The GOP nominated an unelectable unqualified nonreligious dumbass IronLionZion Jun 2019 #15
so much BS JI7 Jun 2019 #17
FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, JEC, WJC, BHO DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #19
FDR? LBJ? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #25
yep. nt BootinUp Jun 2019 #84
No Hard Data Vidal Jun 2019 #20
Don't trust the Salon narrative. Here is the actual article by Picketty to form your own opinion. honest.abe Jun 2019 #21
But will Biden make redistributionist economics a central part of message and policy? marylandblue Jun 2019 #29
I am sure Joe will include some level of redistributionist economics into his message. honest.abe Jun 2019 #37
the low income types voted for trump over social issues JI7 Jun 2019 #80
Hard Data equals LibFarmer Jun 2019 #22
"VBNMW" PDittie Jun 2019 #23
Am I the only one who hasn't a clue what "VBNMW" means? YOHABLO Jun 2019 #54
Vote Blue No Matter Who Demit Jun 2019 #71
Harris is a centrist now?? that's rich AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #27
hard data... LuvLoogie Jun 2019 #28
Typical Salon bullshit. I remember what Salon did to Hilllary, distorting and still_one Jun 2019 #30
So long as it is HARD DATA and just an opinion lapfog_1 Jun 2019 #31
My take is that this country is culturally conservative, but The Mouth Jun 2019 #33
"the Democratic establishment" ? crazytown Jun 2019 #34
lol fail ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #35
When Republicans attack Biden, they won't be calling him a centrist. He is a liberal. Always has emmaverybo Jun 2019 #38
always? Go Vols Jun 2019 #74
I don't think Republicans have changed their mind. He will still be a "libtard" to them, and emmaverybo Jun 2019 #87
What hard data? MineralMan Jun 2019 #40
So by extension then the issue of impeachment must be Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #43
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #44
Hard data. LOL. Downtown Hound Jun 2019 #45
Lots of evidence backed research and analysis Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #46
Sounds really impressive. Downtown Hound Jun 2019 #47
I'm not too confident you're aware of the meaning of the words... LanternWaste Jun 2019 #53
Clearly you're not familiar with the work of Thomas Piketty Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #64
Yes. He's nothing that impressive. Loki Liesmith Jun 2019 #68
Clearly your not familiar with the difference between analysis and an editorial on that analysis LanternWaste Jun 2019 #93
Can you cite the page(s) where the evidence for his claim is/are DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #48
I second that motion... Peacetrain Jun 2019 #49
I'm genuinely curious DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #51
Is this Thomas Piketty the french economist? Peacetrain Jun 2019 #52
He said it is based on a study of French, American, and British political history. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #55
Then a good chance that is who it is... Peacetrain Jun 2019 #57
I'm not wed to any candidate. I just want to defeat Trump DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #59
I read that in the body of the op.. and disagree with the premise if it refers to the United States Peacetrain Jun 2019 #63
People vote for cultural reasons as much as economic ones. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #69
The Hard Data is the 2016 election ProfessorPlum Jun 2019 #65
Huge difference in terms of the negative numbers redstateblues Jun 2019 #70
I am the last person to speak ill of Secretary Clinton but she didn't lose because of her ideology. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #76
A professor believes one election is dispositive of every election? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #75
Russian attack on Hillary while they propped up the incompetent JI7 Jun 2019 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #77
K&R Kurt V. Jun 2019 #78
Thanks for posting, plenty to work on & consider. Piketty, a professor appalachiablue Jun 2019 #81
Blue wall...election will be one or lost in those states. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #85
Why Are Economists Giving Piketty the Cold Shoulder? Gothmog Jun 2019 #91
Sigh. You can usually cherrypick an academic to cherrypick allegedly "hard" data to "prove" highplainsdem Jun 2019 #92
Thankfully, this 'hard data' sourced from 2013 was ignored during the mid-term win. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #94
Hard data makes its sound like the author of the paper reduced it to a mathematical certainty. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #95
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