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In reply to the discussion: Do rights exist? [View all]

Fortinbras Armstrong

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40. I'm afraid I have some major disagreements with you.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:44 AM
Dec 2014

First, morality certainly can be defined. Morality (from the Latin moralitas -- "manner, character, proper behavior&quot is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and acts between those that are "good" (or "right&quot and those that are "bad" (or "wrong&quot . All ethicists would agree on some variant of that definition.

The arguments come over which acts are good and which are not. As I said in a previous post, moral systems, like mathematical systems, are axiomatic. An axiom is a statement which is assumed to be true, for which no proof is given. I gave some examples (there are others):

• "The greatest good for the greatest number"

• The Stoic view that the greatest good is contentment and serenity

• The Confucian idea that good acts contribute to social harmony

• Nietzsche's view of that which benefits the Übermensch is good, that which harms him is bad

• The Catholic view that good acts "serve man and help individuals as well as groups to affirm and develop the dignity proper to them" (Vatican II's Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World, Gaudium et Spes, section 9)
This is the one I, personally, subscribe to.

Given your favored axiom, you then use reason to see how you can develop an ethical system from it. Acts are good if they further what you deem as your moral view, bad if they hinder it. Thus, one certainly can reason one's way to morality. In fact, I have done so.

Do rights exist? [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 OP
Rights, organizations (including governments), human laws, ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #1
Can I infer... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #3
Yes for laws and fairness, but no for love and anger. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #5
I'm unable to understand what system you have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #6
Ha! ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #13
So then... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #14
I don't think so. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #15
I don't think so. delrem Nov 2013 #22
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Your subject line isn't true. bye. delrem Nov 2014 #31
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Rights are attributes of people. rrneck Aug 2013 #2
I'm having a bit of confusion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #4
I would rephrase if I could think of a better way to say it. rrneck Aug 2013 #7
I guess I'm having some trouble with this: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #10
Natural and legal rights rrneck Aug 2013 #11
I'm good with that. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #12
I'd say it depends very much on which school of ethics you subscribe to. Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #8
I'd suggest that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #9
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"Whether you know it or not, among the French and Germans, right means law." Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #33
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For at least the second time, THE PARAGRAPH IS YOUR FRIEND. Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #36
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OK, I shall introduce myself to you. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #38
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I'm afraid I have some major disagreements with you. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #40
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"I'm afraid that I ..." Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #42
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I used an idiom that I'm sure you've heard at least a thousand times Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #44
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Being polite is not cant, nor is it being dishonest. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #46
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I think I see our basic problem Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #48
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I believe that the obligation... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #17
Don't human rights have to be recognized and asserted to exist? delrem Sep 2013 #18
re: "...the right for an individual to be treated equally under the rule of law." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #19
Correct. It's an *obligation* of gov't. delrem Nov 2013 #20
War is uncivilized discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #21
I really appreciate DU. n/t delrem Nov 2013 #23
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Do rights exist? CloptonHavers Feb 2014 #24
After some reading... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #25
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Rights are Subordinated to... PavelKO Oct 2016 #50
As is generally said, 'The winners get to write history.' discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #51
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