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merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. +1 Bill and Hillary had two major excuses for bad bills signed by him and championed by her.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:25 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:53 PM - Edit history (4)

1. Tried to avoiding a constitutional amendment -- This is both nonsensical and untrue. You pass a bill in Congress with a simple majority, unless there is a filibuster. If there is a Senate filibuster, you need 2/3 in the Senate, but still a simple majority in the House and 3/4 of state legislatures.* No even mildly controversial Constitutional amendment has passed since the Eisenhower Administration.

Some of the bad bills, such as Hillary's unconstitutional flag desecration bill, could not even make it out of Congress. And, after her first bill could not even make it out of Congress--indicating zero chance of a Constitutional Amendment, she tried again to get through Congress the following year and failed again. (Mercifully, ceremonial bills were the ones Hillary was able to pass.) There was never a Constitutional threat relating to DOMA, either. Google it, folks.

2. It was a veto-proof majority anyway (Bill only on this one) However, when you dig a little, you find Republicans wanted the bill and probably could have passed it with a simple majority, but his WH lobbied hard to get that veto proof majority from Democrats in Congress solely to create his ability to claim a veto proof majority. Had he opposed the bill instead of lobbying for it, he could have vetoed easily and successfully.

Moreover, no majority can honestly be called veto-proof until the veto has actually been exercised and failed. Once members of Congress, especially those from the President's own party, see the President opposes it, votes change.

Both excuses are trying to have it both ways, even if the truth has to be stretched, another familiar pattern. See also, Reply 35.

*edited to correct to 3/4 of state legislatures dsc, to correct bolding error and to add reference to Reply 35

"Berniebro." "Bernie but." I call bs. Women abound among so called Berniebros and sexists abound merrily Nov 2015 #1
This kind of stuff and David Brock polls is all they have. Just let it sink litlbilly Nov 2015 #3
I thought I was done with the thread. You just kicked it. merrily Nov 2015 #4
The writer is a Berniebro AND a woman. Mass Nov 2015 #6
rude, insulting and untrue 0 for 3. merrily Nov 2015 #8
I must disagree to an extent....There are interesting points beyiond the BS aspects Armstead Nov 2015 #16
We're all entitled to civil disagreement, Armstead, and to our own opinions. merrily Nov 2015 #23
I agree about disagreement... Armstead Nov 2015 #33
Please see Replies 22 and 32. merrily Nov 2015 #52
I certainly agree with the truman quote Armstead Nov 2015 #93
. merrily Nov 2015 #98
Interesting column (aside from her use of Berniebros) Armstead Nov 2015 #2
I've been a Democrat since before I could vote MaggieD Nov 2015 #5
And/or supportive of RW policies, to a fault, literally and figuratively. merrily Nov 2015 #10
That's quite an accusation MaggieD Nov 2015 #11
Right back at you MaggieD about your accusations in Reply 5 merrily Nov 2015 #14
If it's not about me that's wise MaggieD Nov 2015 #15
And Sanders'supporters like Geier who dare to point out that, yes, a small portion Mass Nov 2015 #24
Why do you ask? Was your reply about everyone who supp0rts Bernie? merrily Nov 2015 #36
Guess what? Straight persons of both genders tend Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #7
+1 Bill and Hillary had two major excuses for bad bills signed by him and championed by her. merrily Nov 2015 #9
It takes 3/4 of the state legislatures dsc Nov 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Nov 2015 #37
this was for an amendment, not a convention dsc Nov 2015 #41
You are correct! But, I replied to your request for a link right after I edited my other post. merrily Nov 2015 #46
I don't know why you are asking me for a link for something I did not say. merrily Nov 2015 #42
you edited your post which is frankly extremely dishonest (sorry not a fair title but will leave) dsc Nov 2015 #44
To which edit and post are you objecting? merrily Nov 2015 #48
Again, which edit are you calling extremely dishonest and why? A claim like that should not be merrily Nov 2015 #78
again I admit that dsc Nov 2015 #79
Oh, so the subject line said one awful thing but the body of the post said something else. "Nice." merrily Nov 2015 #81
then what the fuck bill is it about dsc Nov 2015 #94
AGAIN, Reply 7 is about exactly what the subject line always said it was about and what I have said merrily Nov 2015 #95
again which bill did he lobby for then dsc Nov 2015 #96
I gave you a link upthread. Use it. You've impugned my integrity falsely in post after post merrily Nov 2015 #97
the clear meaning of the words you typed, not me but you dsc Nov 2015 #99
Bull puckies. I never said that and the SUBJECT line of post clearly states it is about merrily Nov 2015 #102
+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #104
No, actually she didn't MaggieD Nov 2015 #12
Could you post more about this, maybe in an OP? yardwork Nov 2015 #19
I've discussed it in OPs before MaggieD Nov 2015 #26
And said a marriage is between a man and a woman....nt artislife Nov 2015 #39
Bernie basically said the same thing MaggieD Nov 2015 #40
Which erases Clinton's statement because.........? jeff47 Nov 2015 #53
Which erases Bernie's statements because...........? MaggieD Nov 2015 #59
You're the one changing the subject from your candidate and her record. jeff47 Nov 2015 #60
It might have sounded radically different to YOU MaggieD Nov 2015 #63
Ah yes, the "you can't possibly understand" gambit. jeff47 Nov 2015 #67
Read the thread MaggieD Nov 2015 #73
No, actually you didn't. Unless you mean privately acknowledging your existence is the offset. jeff47 Nov 2015 #75
Read the thread MaggieD Nov 2015 #77
Didn't what? Please be specific. Thanks. merrily Nov 2015 #25
Didn't spend 17 years telling us we weren't equal MaggieD Nov 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Nov 2015 #50
You do not speak for the majority of the LGBT community. Metric System Nov 2015 #38
As a lesbian, I'm not clued into the majority polling. yardwork Nov 2015 #74
If Hillary can't handle "Berniebros" she won't win the general election. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #13
Looks like she's handling them quite well MaggieD Nov 2015 #17
Why do you attack Bernie? merrily Nov 2015 #51
To add balance to this forum MaggieD Nov 2015 #54
LMAO. Maybe criticizing Hillary's POLICIES is to make the forum more representative merrily Nov 2015 #58
LMAO right back atcha MaggieD Nov 2015 #62
You're at a site described in Reply 58. There are, as you know, other kinds of sites. merrily Nov 2015 #66
She had a terrible time with the Benghazi committee, for instance. yardwork Nov 2015 #20
As if that fucking clown show is representive of the real world issues a POTUS faces. 99Forever Nov 2015 #55
Actually it is representative MaggieD Nov 2015 #64
You don't think congress is a serious issue that will be facing the next potus. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #87
So Dueling Banjos Gawdie is your idea of a worthy opponent? 99Forever Nov 2015 #88
I have no clue what you are talking about now. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #91
Of course you don't. 99Forever Nov 2015 #103
. JTFrog Nov 2015 #47
Yup. There we go. We can't afford a professional victim as president. closeupready Nov 2015 #90
Of course there is left-wing sexism. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #18
A point the author makes actually. She says explicitely it is a very small part of Sanders' Mass Nov 2015 #21
So why are we so damned concerned about a very small part of supporter? Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #29
Well, when you can't campaign on issues.... (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #76
Sexism abounds in our society MuseRider Nov 2015 #22
BOOM! Thank you. merrily Nov 2015 #32
Nice! MuseRider Nov 2015 #82
Thanks! Just to be clear for others: the text of the entire speech is at the link. merrily Nov 2015 #84
+100000000 azmom Nov 2015 #68
I stopped reading at BernieBros pengu Nov 2015 #28
Sentence had "Hillbots" too. I think she's playing with the terms to make a point. emulatorloo Nov 2015 #45
I don't care pengu Nov 2015 #49
+1 merrily Nov 2015 #56
Good emulatorloo Nov 2015 #61
+1. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #80
oh Salon did you not try this back in 08' Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #30
Nailed it! TM99 Nov 2015 #57
Thread ender. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #70
FTW AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #101
Cough.... I smell misinformation and astro turfing Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #31
I agree with the article. The BernieBros aren't helping Bernie to win nt Dems to Win Nov 2015 #34
IMO they are his worst enemy MaggieD Nov 2015 #43
The overlap of Berniebros and Gamergate is high Tarc Nov 2015 #65
IMHO, both sides are a bunch of tender flowers. Vinca Nov 2015 #69
The linked article was incoherent. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #71
Love the language choices. 99Forever Nov 2015 #72
I wonder if the Clinton supporters believe they can ride "anyone who doesn't like Hillary is sexist" Doctor_J Nov 2015 #83
Seems like "sexist!!!" gets pulled out as the default talking point winter is coming Nov 2015 #85
Interesting post. Beacool Nov 2015 #86
Nothing will turn general voters off faster than claims of victimhood closeupready Nov 2015 #89
No one is claiming "victimhood". Beacool Nov 2015 #92
Maybe you should label this, Hillary team on teh victim bandwagon. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #100
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