2016 Postmortem

Bubzer

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261. I have to come to MADem's defense here. Comment 126 isn't being read right by folks.

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:47 AM

Nov 2015

I can see where the misinterpretation is happening. It's in how MADem is pointing out the word "using".
In context, MADem is pointing to someone else's concept of "using" rather than espousing a personal view.

I think this is where the offense is coming from. Comment 126 really shouldn't be viewed as offensive. Contentious perhaps, but not offensive. I say this as a Bernie supporter.

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Bernie Sanders Sends Shock Waves Through American Politics With $2 Million Campaign Ad [View all] Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 OP

YAY!!!! marym625 Nov 2015 #1

Real change = Real hope!!! n/t 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #102

Exactly. And the status quo not only doesn't change anything marym625 Nov 2015 #103

yes...last thing we need is more of the same. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #240

The media may suddenly start viewing Bernie favorably. Bubzer Nov 2015 #247

+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #276

No shock wave tipicial campaign AD lewebley3 Nov 2015 #107

Yeah, it was nice. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #160

lewebley3, you always make me chuckle. Bubzer Nov 2015 #249

Three Cheers for HIllary!!! lewebley3 Nov 2015 #294

Yup, people who were going to vote Bernie before now like the ad. That's about it. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #292

I like it.nt Andy823 Nov 2015 #2

Very nice! That's going to wake up the masses! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #3

"The masses?" Really? Are you guys talking about people or Hortensis Nov 2015 #272

Very inspiring. I love it! monmouth4 Nov 2015 #4

I notice no mention of the Dorothys whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #5

Dorothys? What have I missed? SheilaT Nov 2015 #44

This whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #53

Oh. Haven't seen the ad, although I have heard of it. SheilaT Nov 2015 #63

You're welcome whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #64

I support Hillary, but that was bit of a lame ad ...started out OK to tell a compelling story, Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #149

I'm not a hillary supporter... but credit where credit is due, that was pretty good ad. Bubzer Nov 2015 #248

Chelsea looks like her grandma--especially her smile. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #164

I realize you are going out of your way to mock Secstate Clinton's mother, MADem Nov 2015 #106

Lol whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #108

Like Senator Sanders "tries" anything? See post 126. Funny how it's OK for some, but not others. MADem Nov 2015 #127

I made a joke comparing two political ads whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #128

That was NOT a joke. And I like Senator Sanders just fine. MADem Nov 2015 #132

You do? whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #136

Just because he's my 2nd choice doesn't mean I don't like him. MADem Nov 2015 #139

Back at ya whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #146

Lets not pretend that either side of this election season squable is innocent. Bubzer Nov 2015 #250

I think both candidates have great backstories, and I think people want to hear them. MADem Nov 2015 #285

We will certainly find out. It would seem theres 4 months left till our candidate is determined. Bubzer Nov 2015 #293

No. The USE of the mother by the daughter. senz Nov 2015 #113

You mean like how Senator Sanders tells us that his entire father's family was murdered by MADem Nov 2015 #126

Thanks for caring about the Jews that died at the hands of Hitler. Hepburn Nov 2015 #138

Excuse me? I think you need to work on reading for CONTEXT. MADem Nov 2015 #140

You say that a lot about people 'working on their reading for context'. Maybe it isn't those reading sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #267

Well, when people don't read the entire post, it's easy to misconstrue. MADem Nov 2015 #286

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #144

Umm, your side called out for the example. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #233

Cruel? Mild compared to some of the things I've read here lately from Hillary's followers. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #242

Neither ad is exploiting anything....the personal histories of politicians are often fascinating. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #150

Well, that WAS, in fact, MY POINT. MADem Nov 2015 #189

Really.. some just love to read an insult into every comment.. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #234

It really is Through the Looking Glass up in here. MADem Nov 2015 #283

Wow. Aerows Nov 2015 #157

No, it wasn't. Read it again. ALL of it. MADem Nov 2015 #184

Well telling me that I'm an idiot Aerows Nov 2015 #185

Look, if you think it's OK to mock Clinton's mother, and then try to pass it off as a "joke," MADem Nov 2015 #188

Uh, yeah. I clearly mocked Hillary Clinton's mother Aerows Nov 2015 #190

I give up. MADem Nov 2015 #191

I mirror your frustration Aerows Nov 2015 #192

You have been a great member here. MADem Nov 2015 #198

The Primaries can't get here fast enough for me. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #203

here's the thing - ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #207

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Anyone can spout a laundry list. MADem Nov 2015 #208

Please start your own thread MADem. saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #246

Who died and made you the Board Boss? This is a discussion board--the idea is to discuss, not to MADem Nov 2015 #280

My ingidnation stems from the fact that 1% of the American population controls 90% of the wealth ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #279

Your backstory is compelling. And if you weren't so abrasive, I'd probably give even more MADem Nov 2015 #281

not with the Clintons ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #288

I have to come to MADem's defense here. Comment 126 isn't being read right by folks. Bubzer Nov 2015 #261

Wow, your post gets more disgusting every time I read it. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #161

Not sink any lower? There is NO limit. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #166

My mother barely escaped the Nazis. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #168

Was she poor, too? Exploit it? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #169

I'm going to bookmark that post, every time that person lectures someone else beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #170

Oh, please DO, BMUS--but next time, cut and paste the WHOLE post--so my intent is not MADem Nov 2015 #176

Yeah--there's no limit, here, at all. MADem Nov 2015 #186

You are the LAST person who should be lecturing ANYONE... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #193

None of us are responsible for that post about her mother - except the person who posted it. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #195

It's the nastiness, the MO of absolutely POUNCING... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #197

The POUNCING happened when Clinton's mother was mocked, and it was passed off as just a "joke." nt MADem Nov 2015 #200

And always having to have the last word, doubling down when they know they're wrong. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #202

Keep stirring now! Keep mischaracterizing! Add a little more outrage to the pot, too! MADem Nov 2015 #199

I have reread it, and it's fine. Deliberate mis-interpretation for political purposes is not cool. MADem Nov 2015 #196

Oh, no, it's about hostility... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #204

This entire subthread has me in absolute tears Aerows Nov 2015 #206

One person's "pouncing" is another person's discussion. MADem Nov 2015 #226

Nice job of editing--but I expect that of you. Here, get the rest, now--if you are gonna MADem Nov 2015 #173

Ugh. Doubling down on one of the most revolting things I've ever read here. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #175

You're the one doubling down--and all the little 'puke' icons in the world can't MADem Nov 2015 #183

... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #277

I don't think so, but thanks for your input. The "three dots" approach says more about you than me! MADem Nov 2015 #282

I really tried, but here's where I draw the line. Z_California Nov 2015 #273

I think it's important to note, MADem Nov 2015 #284

This sort of stuff really alienates Sanders supporters. Vattel Nov 2015 #155

Oh really? Sure looked that way to me. Nudge, wink--and all that. MADem Nov 2015 #194

send money now grasswire Nov 2015 #6

Yes, good idea. I will donate $25 today. We the people can help pay for these ads. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #19

+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #263

Yes! Give Bernie a few bucks! SoapBox Nov 2015 #42

Yes! This is how we introduce him to the country. senz Nov 2015 #100

Great idea. Will do now. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #120

good idea. I just sent in a donation. liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #143

Money well spent. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #243

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #7

Nice ad, but "shockwaves"? zappaman Nov 2015 #8

As the media try to pretend he is not there Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #9

If the media is trying to pretend Sanders is not there zappaman Nov 2015 #10

They tried hard, Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #71

Interesting that some Democrats that used to recognize the bias of the Corporate-Media rhett o rick Nov 2015 #85

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #90

How dare you imply that Hillary is pro Citizens United! L0oniX Nov 2015 #253

+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #264

I am sure she will tell us that she is against, but her actions of taking the black money proves rhett o rick Nov 2015 #269

Inspiring too. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #244

Great clear, honest ad. Just like Bernie. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #11

Great ad...time to make another donation! Nt dorkzilla Nov 2015 #12

You got that right, dorkzilla! It's Donation O'Clock! merrily Nov 2015 #211

+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #265

K&R - Bernie takes the high road, sticks to issues, not personal attacks. GO BERNIE! nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13

Bernie is such a decent authentic person...that's what comes across to me. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #245

Awesome ad! Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #14

K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #15

Um, where are the shockwaves? brooklynite Nov 2015 #16

Nothing but it's a great ad Armstead Nov 2015 #18

I knew it! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #20

Not bad at all...my one question is the 60 sec runtime... brooklynite Nov 2015 #29

The material was poll tested Rose Siding Nov 2015 #54

Better go spread the word... cui bono Nov 2015 #74

That's odd...Hillary's dorothy ad is 60 seconds too. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #179

Interesting point. Bubzer Nov 2015 #266

They'll cut that up--that's what they usually do. MADem Nov 2015 #287

The headline is typical Jason Easley hyperbole (aka clickbait) (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2015 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #47

Some people are sick of big money politics. I would hope all Democrats would agree. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #92

Yeah, on a scale of 1-10, this ad is a solid 6. I hope Sanders and his fans aren't counting on it to stevenleser Nov 2015 #289

"People are sick and tired of establishment politics!" Yep. Enough with the corrupt system. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #17

Great Ad, Great Message, I'm sharing it on Facebook Armstead Nov 2015 #21

That's HTML 5, not Shockwave. Gore1FL Nov 2015 #22

. merrily Nov 2015 #220

... Bubzer Nov 2015 #268

"Taking on a corrupt political system"? ucrdem Nov 2015 #23

Systemic corruption going back to 1980, at least Armstead Nov 2015 #30

Graham-Rudman sent it into hyperdrive. southerncrone Nov 2015 #181

I didn't get that from this ad. chervilant Nov 2015 #34

Nicely said. senz Nov 2015 #115

here is the corruption questionseverything Nov 2015 #35

I will assume your question is honest, and you are not being purposely dim... modestybl Nov 2015 #38

I think you had a bad assumption. sorry to say. aidbo Nov 2015 #68

Likely so... modestybl Nov 2015 #201

Assume nothing. A hard lesson that I have had to learn over and over. merrily Nov 2015 #214

Answer this "yes" or "no," if you have the guts: Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #73

Corrupt political system dominated by big money. We are fed up with big money rhett o rick Nov 2015 #86

Is Obama a system? You don't get our political system is corrupt? You have the same clout as Koch merrily Nov 2015 #212

It's amazing how clueless the masses are about political corruption. L0oniX Nov 2015 #254

Just Donated (More) To Bernie Yallow Nov 2015 #24

Me too Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #25

Love it. Woohoo! azmom Nov 2015 #26

+1 merrily Nov 2015 #219

I'm not up on ad buys. Is $2 mill for an ad buy for Iowa and New Hampshire way above the normal? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #27

Nope. Not even close. ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2015 #36

Hillary's campaign spent ~$4 million not too long ago in those two states. aidbo Nov 2015 #70

He doesn't have to spend too much to start--the fact that he's finally On The Air is newsworthy. MADem Nov 2015 #135

FWIW, I doubt it will be only two states. For example, I see NH political ads in Boston. merrily Nov 2015 #213

Uhhhhh RandySF Nov 2015 #28

I was wondering the same. riversedge Nov 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Nov 2015 #215

This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Nov 2015 #239

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2015 #31

One more ad to fast forward through Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #33

I bet you fast forward through Hillary ads too. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #180

I fast forward through all political ads Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #232

K and R (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #37

To the point and honest. Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #40

Bernie Sanders, party of one - notice there is no mention of the Democratic Party nt msongs Nov 2015 #41

Why waste time on that? SoapBox Nov 2015 #43

Especially since the Party can't seem to see Bernie as one of their own Demeter Nov 2015 #49

And saving the Party! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #62

The last I heard he was neither so it stands to reason a party isn't mentioned. Walk away Nov 2015 #235

gooble-gobble frylock Nov 2015 #50

Who cares pinebox Nov 2015 #58

Why, has the party been heavily promoting Bernie? GoneFishin Nov 2015 #121

Doesn't phase me in the least. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #167

Did you see the Hillary ad in post 53, above? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #177

Double standards since Bernie announced, but just laugh. merrily Nov 2015 #218

Tiresome. merrily Nov 2015 #216

The DINO's have their party. L0oniX Nov 2015 #255

LOVE IT! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #45

I for one think that six duplicates aren't enough for this important story Orrex Nov 2015 #46

I know. Why can't we go back to multiple posts of the same poll favoring Hillary? frylock Nov 2015 #51

As long as they vote for her in Nov 2016, I guess I don't mind. Orrex Nov 2015 #57

Why would people vote for someone not on the ballot? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #66

When I ask what Sanders' supporters will do when he's not on the ballot... Orrex Nov 2015 #77

No, that just means people are tired of voting for people they CAN'T believe in. IokuA Nov 2015 #94

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Orrex Nov 2015 #114

You know....this post makes you the walrus. Well done. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #278

I doubt that they'll get the opportunity. frylock Nov 2015 #76

Sure. Orrex Nov 2015 #78

that sword cuts both ways roguevalley Nov 2015 #252

As long as it does indeed cut both ways, then it's fine by me! Orrex Nov 2015 #259

. merrily Nov 2015 #221

LMFAO L0oniX Nov 2015 #256

Great video angrychair Nov 2015 #48

Shock waves? workinclasszero Nov 2015 #52

Yes, we know. Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #61

Everything Bernie does is Berntastic! No one has ever done an ad like this! Nitram Nov 2015 #79

The only reason why his ad didn't air sooner is that Clinton is afraid of him Orrex Nov 2015 #82

Sorry, Orrex, I don't follow. Nitram Nov 2015 #83

Yes Orrex Nov 2015 #84

So why didn't he release the ad sooner? Nitram Nov 2015 #87

Because people were afraid of him, probably Orrex Nov 2015 #89

Afraid of his MESSAGE. Not of him. senz Nov 2015 #119

No, that's not it. Orrex Nov 2015 #137

Well I don't know if you're tuned in enough senz Nov 2015 #172

That, too, is a preemptive strategy Orrex Nov 2015 #231

It's a good start in introducing the only presidential candidate senz Nov 2015 #95

That's it! Puts the American people first! That's all we're asking for! Fuck the banks! Grrrrrrrrr!! C Moon Nov 2015 #209

Hillary released a new ad today too. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #55

I am pretty sure you meant humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #59

Oh, snap! Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #67

I hadn't really looked at her face while watching the video. Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #72

Wow. That is disconcerting. cui bono Nov 2015 #75

Looks to me like that's the only part of the speech where she looks like Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #131

Must have been the editing. merrily Nov 2015 #222

Is that an ad? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #99

Its purpose was to sell the Iraq War to Americans, so I guess it can be called an ad. merrily Nov 2015 #224

That's a wonderful ad which is totally 100% the Hillary we all know. L0oniX Nov 2015 #257

real change DaveT Nov 2015 #56

Love it artislife Nov 2015 #60

I like the 'grandfather' part. pangaia Nov 2015 #65

KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #69

Wonderful! Warm and inspiring ! 4139 Nov 2015 #80

Save the production Fees Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #81

Very effective dpatbrown Nov 2015 #88

It's good! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #97

You will be voting for Bernie Sanders in 180 seconds. merrily Nov 2015 #223

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #91

Shock waves? That ad won't create a ripple in American politics. George II Nov 2015 #93

I'm glad they have a new leader in Canada Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #96

So am I. And they don't spend a fraction of what they do down here on political ads. Now.... George II Nov 2015 #101

How much money does the Clinton campaign spend every month? senz Nov 2015 #116

Why ask me? George II Nov 2015 #130

Why not ask you, Georgie? senz Nov 2015 #174

yes Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #142

Except for one summer on my uncle's farm in Ontario about 40 years ago, I've never lived... George II Nov 2015 #147

And this is why we want Bernie passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #182

Touche coyote Nov 2015 #230

I swear I didn't read your response when I wrote mine upthread. But you are right stevenleser Nov 2015 #290

Super Campaign Ad! Duval Nov 2015 #98

Great Ad! monicaangela Nov 2015 #104

Love it Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #105

Donating all I Can to Him McKim Nov 2015 #109

Thank you, McKim! DianeK Nov 2015 #110

lol, shockwaves? More silly yellow sensationalistic "journalism" from PoliticsUsa. tritsofme Nov 2015 #111

Wow. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #112

Apparently, a minute long Hillary ad is ever so much shorter. merrily Nov 2015 #225

Great ad, straight and to the point. All positive, no negative. Vinca Nov 2015 #117

I absolutely love this ad Samantha Nov 2015 #118

That actually gave me chills hifiguy Nov 2015 #122

Great ad! Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #123

Great ad. I love it. liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #124

Real change, real hope for a better future. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #125

I not only liked it, I think it will be effective Babel_17 Nov 2015 #129

I'd replace the fear mongery Koch voice over, plus stress future expansion not cuts to soc sec stuffmatters Nov 2015 #133

The first campaign ad in my lifetime that I actually like n/t deutsey Nov 2015 #134

Very nice! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #141

Sent a C-note Plucketeer Nov 2015 #145

Viewed the video without reading anything else on this or in the thread. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #148

How much time is the campaign getting for $2 million? NT Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #152

No idea...or the geographical or demographic reach....that would be an interesting factoid. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #153

Very good ad. klook Nov 2015 #151

+1,000 !!! CountAllVotes Nov 2015 #154

Most Excellent !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #156

Actually, the shock wave part applies only to political junkies eridani Nov 2015 #158

Good point. merrily Nov 2015 #227

For those of us uneducated to the Bern GitRDun Nov 2015 #159

Better Bernie than an ex-Walmart director and war mongering Wall Street shill who can't separate whereisjustice Nov 2015 #162

Are you sure those are all he insults you could work into one sentence? brooklynite Nov 2015 #236

The truth has become an insult to Clinton and her supporters. You cannot rewrite history. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #241

She voted for the Iraq war = insult. Yep ...it insults all the right people. L0oniX Nov 2015 #260

Sort of makes you want to contribute towards the next ad, doesn't it? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #163

Wowie Zowie! I watched it 3 times, and paused each scene. Go Bernie! NBachers Nov 2015 #165

BRAVO! DJ13 Nov 2015 #171

Brilliant! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #178

I really don't see any "shock wave." demosincebirth Nov 2015 #187

Well, I have to say ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #205

Great ad! JDPriestly Nov 2015 #210

I think it's a great ad. lovemydog Nov 2015 #217

Good, not great Bernin4U Nov 2015 #228

I approve this message, too! colorado_ufo Nov 2015 #229

Why I am soooooo shocked! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #237

Best. Campaign Ad. Ever! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #238

Who ever heard of a politican running an ad. Shocking FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #251

Great Ad Keep-Left Nov 2015 #258

This will piss off all the right people. L0oniX Nov 2015 #262

Now there's a winning strategy. ucrdem Nov 2015 #270

...like voting for the Iraq war? L0oniX Nov 2015 #271

Like running against a popular Dem president. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #291

K&R azmom Nov 2015 #274

In it to win it. We need Bernie Sanders as our President. nt Zorra Nov 2015 #275

I have to say 320 Rec's is the most I've seen for any thread--so far. Duckfan Nov 2015 #295

A lot of support! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #296