2016 Postmortem

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29. Excellent OP. Well-reasoned, well-written.

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Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:51 AM

Oct 2015

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Bernie did NOT categorically oppose gay marriage . . . [View all] markpkessinger Oct 2015 OP

Perhaps when Sanders has pointed out more than once the DOMA and Bill Clinton signed the bill Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #1

Clinton later ran an ad touting his support for DOMA ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #2

Who brought up DOMA, did Bill Clinton or Bernie Sanders? Do you know the vote on this bill? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #4

What brought this up was Hillary being asked about her "reversal" ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #6

"of her husband's position on gay marriage", Bill Clinton is not running, Hillary is. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #10

Why can't Hillary answer the question honestly? markpkessinger Oct 2015 #11

If you are going to talk about the candidates answering questions honestly then we have to hold both Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #14

I agree... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #38

Bill Clinton used his DOMA vote to pander to anti-gay forces & also pandered to anti-choice forces virtualobserver Oct 2015 #3

Is Bernie trying to do what is best for gay people in Vermont in light of the fact this has already Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #5

Yes, because all people need to know that their President isn't bullshitting them.... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #7

The point is Bernie has been on the side of LGBT folks his entire career . . . markpkessinger Oct 2015 #8

Just where do you think Hillary has been? If it is good enough to say Sanders has been on the side Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #12

She was categorically opposed to same sex marriage until what, two years ago? n/t markpkessinger Oct 2015 #13

A lot of people opposed same sex marriage, it does not mean Clinton has not fought for LGBT Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #15

Yes, she has but Bernie has done so more consistently. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #39

Bernie will not be president. I have memories also. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #41

HERE'S THE PROOF... Fearless Oct 2015 #9

Thank you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #16

Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right ... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #17

They can't run from her record on marriage equality so they attack Bernie's. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18

Thank you. lovemydog Oct 2015 #19

I agree. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #20

Well-said lovemydog Oct 2015 #21

Sources should be vetted, unknown authors should be checked. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22

No kidding. Like the one about how Sanders lovemydog Oct 2015 #25

I have defended Hillary from rw nut jobs for years. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28

Peace out! lovemydog Oct 2015 #31

Then it sounds like he took a subtle, nuanced, and well-justified position. pnwmom Oct 2015 #23

The constitutional amendment was not pushed until 2002 --- markpkessinger Oct 2015 #24

Gay service members had been subject to court-martial and imprisonment pnwmom Oct 2015 #27

And after DADT, they still were. jeff47 Oct 2015 #34

They weren't excluded from service during the enlistment process. pnwmom Oct 2015 #35

The only progress was they couldn't ask on the enlistment form. jeff47 Oct 2015 #36

That WAS progress. They weren't screened out from enlisting. pnwmom Oct 2015 #40

Because dishonorable discharges are fantastic!! jeff47 Oct 2015 #42

An "improvement" that resulted in a far higher rate of discharge of servicemembers for being gay... markpkessinger Oct 2015 #37

Thom Hartmann called out this fictitious narrative markpkessinger Oct 2015 #26

And there's also this... senz Oct 2015 #30

Excellent OP. Well-reasoned, well-written. senz Oct 2015 #29

You are exactly right -- he took his time and carefully explained the situation as you described Samantha Oct 2015 #32

To answer the questions in your last paragraph: jeff47 Oct 2015 #33