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In reply to the discussion: The Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card! All being played by the Hillary Campaign. [View all]passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)67. So, I'm reading Brothers Karamazov again and came across this passage last night
Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)
the elder Zosima to Fyodor Karamazov:"The important thing is to stop lying to yourself. A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and for others.
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A man who lies to himself, for instance, can take offense, for there are times it's rather pleasant to feel wronged---don't you agree? So, a man may know very well that no one has offended him, and may invent an offense, lie just for the beauty of it, or exaggerate what someone said to create a situation, making a mountain out of a molehill. And although he is aware of it himself, he nevertheless does feel offended because he enjoys doing so, derives great pleasure from it, and so he comes to feel real hostility toward the imaginary offender . . .
~Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
This makes me think of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when anyone tries to bring up any of Hillary's policy stances they disfavor.
So Hillary supporters are victims, persecuted, because Hillary is not the favored candidate here on DU...so they have to make things up (mountains out of molehills) about Bernie and about his supporters to feel vindicated, and to enjoy the pain of being the victims. Like claiming "shiny object" is/was meant to be sexist, just as an example. So, of course Bernie supporters (and even Bernie himself) are sexist, because he said "all the shouting" and was not even referring to Hillary when he said it, but of course, she was right in turning it into a misogynist poke at her.
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The Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card! All being played by the Hillary Campaign. [View all]
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
OP
That's the funniest comment I've read all day! Poor Hlllary, every one shouts her down because she's
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#220
In Arkansas where they learned politics, it is classified as a contact sport.
LiberalArkie
Oct 2015
#52
The more I see people who are not black saying we are the ones using the race card...
bravenak
Oct 2015
#2
As I said DU is not representative of minorities. If you have questions like that AAs in general
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#7
No one ever said all. I am discussing those in the dark. If it does not apply to a person,they
bravenak
Oct 2015
#146
Same goes for Hillary supporters. Lots of them in the dark regarding race. Using it as political
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#158
Actually it was addressing a serious issue. I'm about issues, not character assassinations, and
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#221
Lol! Again, you prove my point. And btw, you know nothing about me. But I love the assumptions, it's
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#252
The more I hear from African Americans speaking for THEMSELVES the more I know that DU is the LAST
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#6
Well, we all think our views are the majority views. What did you think of David Brock being exposed
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#17
That issue, the Money in Politics is one of the top issues for voters in this campaign..
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#21
They've been a longtime issue for me too, especially the abhorrent Private Prison Industry
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#23
Yes, hard to understand. When you find yourself unable to keep defending a candidate on issue after
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#116
True. The Brits got a taste of a woman in power, well quite a few throughout their history. It
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#157
And there is a perfect example of my points. Hillary supporter, avoiding issues, attempting to
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#36
They have reached out to him. You're not too informed about his campaign at all, I see. He is
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#222
The government cannot stop you, but the Constitution warns against applying a religious
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#131
Several of our Founding Fathers were deists, not really Christians. Many Christians forget that.
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#214
Sure you are, JD Priestly never said you could not. What she pointed out was that
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#227
A truly excellent post, JDPriestly! Thank you for reminding us that discrimination takes many forms
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#177
Religious test is the exact language. That means that a person does not have to be of a certain
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#209
Let me see if I understand that. She has an uncle who is a Reverend, and his congregation supports
still_one
Oct 2015
#199
Well I was on that jury and I voted to hide it because the alerter's comments are correct.
still_one
Oct 2015
#191
I almost never do an alert, and I never place anyone on ignore. However, when I am selected to be
still_one
Oct 2015
#201
It's a good thing your self investigation revealed you were correct about everything.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#150
But you are not even trying to bring people "into the light". That obviously isn't your
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#176
It's when you say stuff like this: "her rivals ignore social justice" you lose real allies...
Bread and Circus
Oct 2015
#194
Do you really believe that? Aside from all the DU huff and puff? I mean come on. This is a forum...
Bread and Circus
Oct 2015
#198
I am sorry to hear that. It's not excuseable. I know I get angry on this
Bread and Circus
Oct 2015
#206
Okay, how many more would you like? What did you think of David 'blinded by the money' Brock being
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#11
The Debate and The Hearings aftermath hurting the GOP far more than Sanders makes ME not sad.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2015
#5
Corporate money is to blame. See David Brock eg, caught attempting to plant in the media, smears
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#13
So, I'm reading Brothers Karamazov again and came across this passage last night
passiveporcupine
Oct 2015
#67
Perfect quote. Yes there are people who play the victim 'just for the beauty of it'. At least in
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#100
no biggie....plenty of Bernie supporters are vociferously playing the anti semetic card
Sheepshank
Oct 2015
#12
What did you think of David Brock caught in the act of trying to plant smears using the Red Card,
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#15
Would you like me to post some links to WHERE the playing of the Anti-Semitic card began?
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#19
I'm sure they are working on that right now! How to incorporate right handed people into
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#26
Perhaps you put it under the wrong screen name has nothing to do with blind devotion to a cause, or
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#72
You are? Why? That sounds hyperbolic and desperate. My advice would be to look at the issues
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#30
The point in the OP is that Bernie in his speach in Iowa differentiated his past stances on issues
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#48
The question is not whether she is evil, but whether she really did take and then in some cases
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#117
Excellent post, thank you! Too many 'mistakes' to have the needed good judgement and foresight
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#155
Thanks. This is so important. Bernie's views on the TPP are the reflection and proof of his
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#212
A person's religion can be considered when voting, nothing says an individual
A Simple Game
Oct 2015
#99
No, just that Hillary supporters are willing to overlook pretty much anything horrible
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#38
Hillary is a class act: She is leader and statesmen: Bernie has his own problems
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#44
You have been dissing this older woman was probably your mother: Who cares about antidotes
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#62
He has been standing up to them since he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont.
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#280
Hillary voted for a use of force: There was not a war vote: Bush chose war alone! He said so!
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#298
Sanders saw through the ruse. Hillary did not. It is a matter of judgment and
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#299
Sanders vote showed absolutely no courage: He is from almost 1 party ruled state
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#302
Your are a Zealot when it comes to Sanders: Hillary whole life has been about fighting the GOP
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#272
Yes, after which I predict that many who showed so much 'concern' about these things, won't be
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#31
More war - Keystone - cuts to Social Security? *That* Hillary's Trifecta?
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#164
And the more they do that, the more people they will turn off. It's not like Bernie is
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#40
And I am of the opinion that their are people in our own party who HATE what they perceive to be the
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#98
I've seen plenty of hidden posts from Hillary supporters. I've seen personal attacks on
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#114
Well, we are familiar with the tactic now of pretending to be Bernie supporters. That got old almost
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#152
Oh no, we have not forgotten that. They do think they can toss out personal attacks like
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#137
DLC Brand Democrats admire republican dirty trick campaigns for their "success".
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2015
#90
"Race card" and "gender card" are constructs of racists and sexists respectively. nt
LexVegas
Oct 2015
#97
Oh, but it's jquite okay with you when Bernie plays the "use government to fix our problems" card
Bucky
Oct 2015
#101
It's already been played, right here in this thread actually! And I forgot to add the Anti-Semitic
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#136
I wasn't surprised. And yes, that was a particularly vile post. But nothing should surprise us.
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#156
Bernie has had a fantastic week. As for your advice, I'm sorry you are having trouble communicating
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#230
The advice was to practice humility and silence in the face of things not understood.
bravenak
Oct 2015
#235
Let me fix that for you. Winner of the NobLE prize for exposing ARROGANT fiction!
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#251
Arrogant? As arrogant as a white woman telling a black woman about the black experience?
bravenak
Oct 2015
#255
I agree, it is funny how some people know nothing about an issue, even tell us they have no interest
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#257
Great, so we were both amused! Better to laugh than spend one's time being angry.
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#259
Called out by at least three different black posters in this thread and still WILL NOT STOP
Number23
Oct 2015
#291
Maybe it's just the Halloween season, but I'm getting a seriously creepy vibe. Do not like!
betsuni
Oct 2015
#297
Money out of Politics? Who's gonna pay for the 6-figure Twitter hashtags? Planes? 50-state polls?
ucrdem
Oct 2015
#159
Haven't you been paying attention? The PEOPLE are funding Bernie's campaign. And I love how frugal
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#165
Hillary's House of Cards has no chance of occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Major Hogwash
Oct 2015
#162
House of Cards is a very bad hand to hold. Signed, Zoe Barnes, Peter Russo and America. nt
merrily
Oct 2015
#190
Few people have this on the top of their list of issues that concern them. Not to mention that
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#195
I've read it. What does it have to do with this OP? Lies are lies and when race is used to lie
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#225
No surprise. So in reality none of that stuff ever happened - no Race Card, no Red Card, and....
George II
Oct 2015
#289
You're making serious accusations about a Democratic candidate and you consider being asked...
George II
Oct 2015
#295