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passiveporcupine

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67. So, I'm reading Brothers Karamazov again and came across this passage last night
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

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the elder Zosima to Fyodor Karamazov:

"The important thing is to stop lying to yourself. A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and for others.

...

A man who lies to himself, for instance, can take offense, for there are times it's rather pleasant to feel wronged---don't you agree? So, a man may know very well that no one has offended him, and may invent an offense, lie just for the beauty of it, or exaggerate what someone said to create a situation, making a mountain out of a molehill. And although he is aware of it himself, he nevertheless does feel offended because he enjoys doing so, derives great pleasure from it, and so he comes to feel real hostility toward the imaginary offender . . .

~Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov



This makes me think of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when anyone tries to bring up any of Hillary's policy stances they disfavor.

So Hillary supporters are victims, persecuted, because Hillary is not the favored candidate here on DU...so they have to make things up (mountains out of molehills) about Bernie and about his supporters to feel vindicated, and to enjoy the pain of being the victims. Like claiming "shiny object" is/was meant to be sexist, just as an example. So, of course Bernie supporters (and even Bernie himself) are sexist, because he said "all the shouting" and was not even referring to Hillary when he said it, but of course, she was right in turning it into a misogynist poke at her.
Maybe she thinks it is just a game? nt artislife Oct 2015 #1
Red Card has already been thrown by Trump: He is not going to quit! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #43
LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #182
That's the funniest comment I've read all day! Poor Hlllary, every one shouts her down because she's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #220
In Arkansas where they learned politics, it is classified as a contact sport. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #52
Sad thing is, I think most of them do consider it a game. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #228
The more I see people who are not black saying we are the ones using the race card... bravenak Oct 2015 #2
Insult is not the best way to bring people into the light Armstead Oct 2015 #4
As I said DU is not representative of minorities. If you have questions like that AAs in general sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #7
I know. But hope springs eternal I guess Armstead Oct 2015 #69
I wish you had taken my advice. bravenak Oct 2015 #10
As far as you're concerned I will Armstead Oct 2015 #66
Ditto bravenak Oct 2015 #68
Incredibly rude. Vattel Oct 2015 #266
Yes. I gave it freely. Tried to help. Was rudely rejected. bravenak Oct 2015 #267
Who said it is Bernie supporters that she is trying to ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #130
I won't comment on that particular poster Armstead Oct 2015 #133
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #142
No one ever said all. I am discussing those in the dark. If it does not apply to a person,they bravenak Oct 2015 #146
Same goes for Hillary supporters. Lots of them in the dark regarding race. Using it as political sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #158
Thank you for that expanded explanation ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #163
I have that issue. bravenak Oct 2015 #172
Actually it was addressing a serious issue. I'm about issues, not character assassinations, and sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #221
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #239
Lol! Again, you prove my point. And btw, you know nothing about me. But I love the assumptions, it's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #252
Again, LOL, again and louder ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #260
I received a similar lecture on the habits of blacks. From a white woman. bravenak Oct 2015 #256
Was it THAT white woman? She seems to have a penchant for that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #261
YES bravenak Oct 2015 #262
I'm shocked! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #263
I don't lump myself in with any group Armstead Oct 2015 #204
Okay; but, what others hear/see, is #NotAllBernie, rather than ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #240
I agree and won't defend that kind of thing Armstead Oct 2015 #242
You would have had my complete agreement, if ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #244
Not an apologia Armstead Oct 2015 #246
The more I hear from African Americans speaking for THEMSELVES the more I know that DU is the LAST sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6
I am in the majority of blacks. bravenak Oct 2015 #8
Well, we all think our views are the majority views. What did you think of David Brock being exposed sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #17
I do not think about David Brock. bravenak Oct 2015 #20
That issue, the Money in Politics is one of the top issues for voters in this campaign.. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #21
The reason I do not see movement on CU is... The Supreme Court. bravenak Oct 2015 #22
They've been a longtime issue for me too, especially the abhorrent Private Prison Industry sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #23
HRH supports the Drug War AND private prisons hifiguy Oct 2015 #63
One of the reasons I am voting Bernie in the primary randys1 Oct 2015 #89
Cool. hifiguy Oct 2015 #96
Yes, hard to understand. When you find yourself unable to keep defending a candidate on issue after sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #116
A lot of the hardest-shelled HRH supporters here hifiguy Oct 2015 #120
True. The Brits got a taste of a woman in power, well quite a few throughout their history. It sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #157
Uncool if untrue, though. merrily Oct 2015 #186
Some of us understand how polls work, though. DanTex Oct 2015 #29
And there is a perfect example of my points. Hillary supporter, avoiding issues, attempting to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #36
+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #61
"she shares the faith. They love that." JDPriestly Oct 2015 #42
What ARE you TALKING about? bravenak Oct 2015 #45
You did ... GeorgeGist Oct 2015 #71
Bullshit stevil Oct 2015 #105
Wow! There it is! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #112
How is that voting AGAINST HIM BECAUSE he is Jewish? bravenak Oct 2015 #147
Oops... TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #229
And why wouldn't Bernie visit their congregations???? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #207
It is his job to reach out them. He would never be turned away. bravenak Oct 2015 #210
They have reached out to him. You're not too informed about his campaign at all, I see. He is sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #222
Every black church in the US has reached out to Bernie? Or just a few? bravenak Oct 2015 #232
Are you for real? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #49
If the internet has taught us anything,it's that the Constitution sufrommich Oct 2015 #51
No kidding workinclasszero Oct 2015 #56
I quoted from the Constitution. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #124
I am free to vote against Bernie because workinclasszero Oct 2015 #128
The government cannot stop you, but the Constitution warns against applying a religious JDPriestly Oct 2015 #131
It shouldn't be the sole criteria workinclasszero Oct 2015 #135
Several of our Founding Fathers were deists, not really Christians. Many Christians forget that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #214
The majority were deists hifiguy Oct 2015 #269
Yes. Thanks. Morris may have been a Christian, but most were deists. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #281
Interesting that you are voting *against* someone and not *for* someone. cui bono Oct 2015 #168
Sure you are, JD Priestly never said you could not. What she pointed out was that sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #227
Bravo! hifiguy Oct 2015 #70
+1 beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77
"Share the faith" Lordquinton Oct 2015 #80
Wrong randys1 Oct 2015 #94
Can you provide the actual numbers for that? Lordquinton Oct 2015 #102
A truly excellent post, JDPriestly! Thank you for reminding us that discrimination takes many forms sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #177
That passage in the Constitution lovemydog Oct 2015 #208
Religious test is the exact language. That means that a person does not have to be of a certain JDPriestly Oct 2015 #209
Correct. lovemydog Oct 2015 #211
And here it comes... cui bono Oct 2015 #167
Where did I use the word 'Jew'? Link please? bravenak Oct 2015 #171
Upon further reading in this thread I see many others called you out already cui bono Oct 2015 #173
So no link? Just unfounded accusations? bravenak Oct 2015 #174
So another night of not reading my posts? cui bono Oct 2015 #181
Lol. Nice. bravenak Oct 2015 #184
You know, I am Jewish, and I don't know WTF you are talking about still_one Oct 2015 #188
It was called out by a half dozen other people in this thread. cui bono Oct 2015 #193
Let me see if I understand that. She has an uncle who is a Reverend, and his congregation supports still_one Oct 2015 #199
Love how you conveniently left out the part about sharing her faith. cui bono Oct 2015 #202
Thanks for speaking up. ucrdem Oct 2015 #285
Jury results zeemike Oct 2015 #189
Well I was on that jury and I voted to hide it because the alerter's comments are correct. still_one Oct 2015 #191
Well it made no difference to me what was said. zeemike Oct 2015 #196
I almost never do an alert, and I never place anyone on ignore. However, when I am selected to be still_one Oct 2015 #201
Thanks. cui bono Oct 2015 #192
It's not even worth it to engage some posters. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #205
You are so right, bmus. hifiguy Oct 2015 #270
You know how you can tell a fake progressive? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #286
I am in the majority of blacks. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #245
I fit within 'the majority'. Please do not be rude. bravenak Oct 2015 #254
I wasn't being rude. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #274
Ok. bravenak Oct 2015 #276
I did notice however... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #278
Better me than you, eh? bravenak Oct 2015 #279
Your seriously... MrWendel Oct 2015 #185
It's a good thing your self investigation revealed you were correct about everything. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #150
I was not concerned. It usually turns out that way. Glad you noticed. bravenak Oct 2015 #160
But you are not even trying to bring people "into the light". That obviously isn't your rhett o rick Oct 2015 #176
They are not ready for the light. bravenak Oct 2015 #178
It's when you say stuff like this: "her rivals ignore social justice" you lose real allies... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #194
They were never my allies. The BLM reaction showed that. bravenak Oct 2015 #197
Do you really believe that? Aside from all the DU huff and puff? I mean come on. This is a forum... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #198
I think they care more about their SS events. bravenak Oct 2015 #200
I am sorry to hear that. It's not excuseable. I know I get angry on this Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #206
Awesome. I am glad we can be cool and not at each other's throats. bravenak Oct 2015 #213
Very well said and that I think is one of the reasons I say Bernie Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #215
Win or lose he brought a perspective that was missing. bravenak Oct 2015 #216
Yeah and honestly don't think he expected to get this far. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #217
4/10 not enough caps, bold, and italics. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #3
Okay, how many more would you like? What did you think of David 'blinded by the money' Brock being sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #11
The post you're replying to is another perfect example of your points. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #74
The Debate and The Hearings aftermath hurting the GOP far more than Sanders makes ME not sad. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5
Thank you Sabrina... SoapBox Oct 2015 #9
Corporate money is to blame. See David Brock eg, caught attempting to plant in the media, smears sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #13
So, I'm reading Brothers Karamazov again and came across this passage last night passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #67
Perfect quote. Yes there are people who play the victim 'just for the beauty of it'. At least in sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #100
Seeing how many people hifiguy Oct 2015 #103
no biggie....plenty of Bernie supporters are vociferously playing the anti semetic card Sheepshank Oct 2015 #12
What did you think of David Brock caught in the act of trying to plant smears using the Red Card, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #15
Love you bravenak Oct 2015 #16
Would you like me to post some links to WHERE the playing of the Anti-Semitic card began? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #19
The screencaps posted here by bmus hifiguy Oct 2015 #73
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #82
They think they can hide their shit. hifiguy Oct 2015 #85
+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #88
actually the Red Card came first, with McCaskill MisterP Oct 2015 #14
I'm sure they are working on that right now! How to incorporate right handed people into sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #26
see my post 67 passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #76
That was a good one! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #237
Kickin' for more truth. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #18
Because they care more about their candidate winning than the country. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #24
This is true. I hate America. Blue_Adept Oct 2015 #27
Perhaps you put it under the wrong screen name has nothing to do with blind devotion to a cause, or jtuck004 Oct 2015 #72
Yep. For them it's like a high-school popularity contest. hifiguy Oct 2015 #60
Huge +1! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #238
SHE IS EVIL INCARNATE Blue_Adept Oct 2015 #25
You are? Why? That sounds hyperbolic and desperate. My advice would be to look at the issues sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #30
Oh for crying out loud Blue_Adept Oct 2015 #34
The point in the OP is that Bernie in his speach in Iowa differentiated his past stances on issues JDPriestly Oct 2015 #48
no, the point of the op was that SHE'S EVIL Blue_Adept Oct 2015 #59
The question is not whether she is evil, but whether she really did take and then in some cases JDPriestly Oct 2015 #117
Excellent post, thank you! Too many 'mistakes' to have the needed good judgement and foresight sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #155
Thanks. This is so important. Bernie's views on the TPP are the reflection and proof of his JDPriestly Oct 2015 #212
A person's religion can be considered when voting, nothing says an individual A Simple Game Oct 2015 #99
No, just that Hillary supporters are willing to overlook pretty much anything horrible Maedhros Oct 2015 #38
Hillary is a class act: She is leader and statesmen: Bernie has his own problems lewebley3 Oct 2015 #44
Interesting. I spoke to a Hillary supporter yesterday, an older woman. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50
You have been dissing this older woman was probably your mother: Who cares about antidotes lewebley3 Oct 2015 #62
I wonder what it is that leads anyone to conclude hifiguy Oct 2015 #75
You keep pushing the sins of the GOP on Hillary! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #104
Um, hifiguy Oct 2015 #106
Hillary was famous lawyer: before her marriage lewebley3 Oct 2015 #113
I must confess that I do find your syntax and spelling hifiguy Oct 2015 #115
She failed the D.C. bar; that's why she ended up in Ark. w/ Bill Divernan Oct 2015 #175
Really? hifiguy Oct 2015 #268
No, Hillary gave up a big career to go help a small state with Bill lewebley3 Oct 2015 #271
We need a candidate who deal with Republicans. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #129
Sanders is to weak to standup to the GOP lewebley3 Oct 2015 #277
He has been standing up to them since he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #280
He has not: Vermont population is 600,000: GOP's their are libs lewebley3 Oct 2015 #282
Hillary is utterly hated by Repbulicans. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #290
Hillary voted for a use of force: There was not a war vote: Bush chose war alone! He said so! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #298
Sanders saw through the ruse. Hillary did not. It is a matter of judgment and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #299
His vote didn't mater: He is state is all lib ruled! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #300
Sanders showed courage. He always does. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #301
Sanders vote showed absolutely no courage: He is from almost 1 party ruled state lewebley3 Oct 2015 #302
Thank you. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #121
You are entirely welcome! hifiguy Oct 2015 #126
Your are a Zealot when it comes to Sanders: Hillary whole life has been about fighting the GOP lewebley3 Oct 2015 #272
Done with you. hifiguy Oct 2015 #273
checkmate lewebley3 Oct 2015 #275
"Antidotes"?!?!? Do you mean anecdotes, dear? Divernan Oct 2015 #84
Well I can tell you that after reading that I certainly need the antidote. cui bono Oct 2015 #169
"Who cares about antidotes" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #91
I'm 72. She wasn't all that old. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #119
Those who have been poisoned... Fairgo Oct 2015 #231
You can't fix that kind of stupid. hifiguy Oct 2015 #111
Four. Months. To. Go. RandySF Oct 2015 #28
Yes, after which I predict that many who showed so much 'concern' about these things, won't be sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #31
yes, four months till bernie wins iowa and nh restorefreedom Oct 2015 #46
The Left direction Lordquinton Oct 2015 #78
quite true! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #123
After Hillary's Trifecta -You still dream big. That is OK. riversedge Oct 2015 #95
i am an idealist restorefreedom Oct 2015 #122
I'm afraid to ask about Hillary's Trifecta.. frylock Oct 2015 #138
More war - Keystone - cuts to Social Security? *That* Hillary's Trifecta? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #164
Bernie supporters have to get their excuses lined up firebrand80 Oct 2015 #64
K & R, sabrina1. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #32
Once she gets enough mana in play expect to see some serious cards. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #33
And the more they do that, the more people they will turn off. It's not like Bernie is sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #40
How much mana is enough mana? hedda_foil Oct 2015 #170
a Magic: The Gathering pun? you're sick, Juicy! SICK MisterP Oct 2015 #218
"Hugo Chavez is a communist dictator!"-Bernie Sanders JaneyVee Oct 2015 #35
I believe that's what's known as a non sequitur. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #180
K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #37
K&R azmom Oct 2015 #39
Thank you, Sabrina Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #41
you play cards when you have no platform olddots Oct 2015 #47
Not to mention its thralls and hifiguy Oct 2015 #53
If Sanders doesn't smear people, why do you? shenmue Oct 2015 #54
On-line polling confirms people like smearing, maybe? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #140
Yep. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #55
Alert-stalking? indeed. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #57
It should have been hidden. sad what DU has become. moobu2 Oct 2015 #81
Bad alert, buddy. Try again. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #83
As usual. Jury results: Aerows Oct 2015 #58
The explanations of the jury members who explained their reasoning are similar Zorra Oct 2015 #264
Got any SPECIFIC examples of any of that stuff? George II Oct 2015 #65
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #79
Before this gets hidden... brooklynite Oct 2015 #86
It is undeniable, this time the mask fell off. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #93
Yup. zappaman Oct 2015 #108
And I am of the opinion that their are people in our own party who HATE what they perceive to be the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #98
"You sure aren't getting any support for your candidate." brooklynite Oct 2015 #107
Could you link to the state polling. I'm too lazy to look them up ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #265
You must have missed the hidden post then. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #110
I've seen plenty of hidden posts from Hillary supporters. I've seen personal attacks on sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #114
We have the same goal, Sabrina. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #134
Well, we are familiar with the tactic now of pretending to be Bernie supporters. That got old almost sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #152
How can we forget being called "fucking retards" by Obama's hand-picked guy? arcane1 Oct 2015 #132
Oh no, we have not forgotten that. They do think they can toss out personal attacks like sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #137
I dont like people who put corporations in front of people davidn3600 Oct 2015 #143
Pity it got hidden. hifiguy Oct 2015 #144
You can add the "Yo Mama" card to that shit-stained attack deck. Divernan Oct 2015 #87
DLC Brand Democrats admire republican dirty trick campaigns for their "success". Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #92
"Race card" and "gender card" are constructs of racists and sexists respectively. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #97
+10000 betsuni Oct 2015 #148
Oh, but it's jquite okay with you when Bernie plays the "use government to fix our problems" card Bucky Oct 2015 #101
Talk about playing the victim card!!!! Would like some cheese with that? Persondem Oct 2015 #109
I love you. And cheese. betsuni Oct 2015 #149
Thank you!! Cheese thanks you as well :) nt Persondem Oct 2015 #153
I'm going to join! zappaman Oct 2015 #118
Can I come? I have grapes and crackers... bravenak Oct 2015 #203
Sorry. zappaman Oct 2015 #219
Ha! Good one. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #224
Lol! bravenak Oct 2015 #233
She is fighting to win treestar Oct 2015 #125
The only pertinent question is, however, hifiguy Oct 2015 #145
I'm waiting for the "He's not a Christian" card. arcane1 Oct 2015 #127
It's already been played, right here in this thread actually! And I forgot to add the Anti-Semitic sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #136
I should NOT be surprised to see that here. arcane1 Oct 2015 #139
I wasn't surprised. And yes, that was a particularly vile post. But nothing should surprise us. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #156
You missed it! It's upthread. cui bono Oct 2015 #183
I'm definitely starting to learn one thing. arcane1 Oct 2015 #249
Kick !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #141
Yeah, it's been a bad couple of weeks for the Sanders campaign. zappaman Oct 2015 #151
Yes, it has. But I feel as if my advice is helping them. They are Learning. bravenak Oct 2015 #161
Baby steps. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #179
Bernie has had a fantastic week. As for your advice, I'm sorry you are having trouble communicating sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #230
The advice was to practice humility and silence in the face of things not understood. bravenak Oct 2015 #235
Winner of the 2015 Nobel prize for Condescending Arrogant Fiction. Congrats! betsuni Oct 2015 #247
Let me fix that for you. Winner of the NobLE prize for exposing ARROGANT fiction! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #251
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #253
Arrogant? As arrogant as a white woman telling a black woman about the black experience? bravenak Oct 2015 #255
I agree, it is funny how some people know nothing about an issue, even tell us they have no interest sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #257
It was funny last night when it happen to me by your hand - last night. bravenak Oct 2015 #258
Great, so we were both amused! Better to laugh than spend one's time being angry. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #259
Called out by at least three different black posters in this thread and still WILL NOT STOP Number23 Oct 2015 #291
It's revolting all right. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #292
+ 1 and an obnoxious number of zeros Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #296
Maybe it's just the Halloween season, but I'm getting a seriously creepy vibe. Do not like! betsuni Oct 2015 #297
She is playing to win by playing the hand she is dealt. Deal with it! nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #154
Money out of Politics? Who's gonna pay for the 6-figure Twitter hashtags? Planes? 50-state polls? ucrdem Oct 2015 #159
Haven't you been paying attention? The PEOPLE are funding Bernie's campaign. And I love how frugal sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #165
Like "Billionaires for Bernie" people? ucrdem Oct 2015 #166
Hillary's House of Cards has no chance of occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #162
House of Cards is a very bad hand to hold. Signed, Zoe Barnes, Peter Russo and America. nt merrily Oct 2015 #190
Clinton is a hard campaigner, and she's playing the game as she PatrickforO Oct 2015 #187
Few people have this on the top of their list of issues that concern them. Not to mention that sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #195
Hi sabrina 1. That's a lot of cards. lovemydog Oct 2015 #223
I've read it. What does it have to do with this OP? Lies are lies and when race is used to lie sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #225
I'm wondering what your evidence is lovemydog Oct 2015 #226
K&R Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #234
anything but the issues. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #236
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #241
accusing people of using 'cards' is a standard deflection bigtree Oct 2015 #243
Kick !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #248
Me: "Got any SPECIFIC examples of any of that stuff?" Still no answer. George II Oct 2015 #250
Your question was a joke, wasn't it? Lol, I sure didn't take it seriously! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #288
No surprise. So in reality none of that stuff ever happened - no Race Card, no Red Card, and.... George II Oct 2015 #289
You're very witty. That's the second joke in just two comments! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #293
You're making serious accusations about a Democratic candidate and you consider being asked... George II Oct 2015 #295
Kick !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #283
And Another... WillyT Oct 2015 #284
Kick !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #287
Kick !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #294
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