2016 Postmortem

beam me up scottie

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155. Just because you don't like the label doesn't mean it's a myth.

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:32 PM

Oct 2015

http://www.bluedogdems.com

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/conservative-democrats/

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/12/bye_bye_blue_dog_democrats_what_the_end_of_conservative_dems_means_for_america/

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Let's talk Third Way. Some links about its founding and the founders. [View all] madfloridian Oct 2015 OP

Thanks MohRokTah Oct 2015 #1

Glad you found your way. madfloridian Oct 2015 #2

It's the best way MohRokTah Oct 2015 #4

the present tk2kewl Oct 2015 #14

Space. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #20

Go for it, why wait? The rest of us will have more air and water after you leave. dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #49

Here you go... Purveyor Oct 2015 #58

Just like in Elysium? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #115

*** Squirrel !!! *** cprise Oct 2015 #205

Clinton is rejecting capitalism by refusing to break up banks cprise Oct 2015 #21

I love yr comment about her policies being like getting 20 bucks off of truedelphi Oct 2015 #35

Bravo, in a nutshell & well said! nt mother earth Oct 2015 #66

Thank you Ronald Reagan for your astute analysis Armstead Oct 2015 #23

:) Phlem Oct 2015 #61

Europe's Democratic Socialists are failures? That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #24

That's where they're going with the red baiting. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63

It has already begun: arcane1 Oct 2015 #69

Oh noes! BERNIE'S GONNA TAKE MY LEMONADE STAND!!1! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70

Government-run lemonade stands that all look like Soviet apartment blocks arcane1 Oct 2015 #73

LOL! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79

:facepalm: BeanMusical Oct 2015 #125

There's a difference between saying what Sanders himself says he is, i.e., "socialist"..... George II Oct 2015 #174

Canuks did Not Live Through the Era of McCarthy McKim Oct 2015 #183

Some people's understanding, such as the author of that thread, of socialism ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #175

Communism-What is their military looking like? No Red Army? DhhD Oct 2015 #81

History proved that the New Deal was a resounding success n/t eridani Oct 2015 #180

I guess FDR and a middle class with the highest standard of living the world has ever known... raindaddy Oct 2015 #187

The game Monopoly proves Capitalism is an abysmal failure for all but one lone winner. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #188

I still support Sanders and oppose Hillary more than I did before this OP was posted. Autumn Oct 2015 #41

Why does this scenario come to mind? passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #52

You support Hillary? NO! BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #103

The only conclusion is that you support the leadership of corporations and their puppets and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #130

As I stated previously, anyone that doesn't support Sanders is voting for selfish reasons. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #189

Is Bill Clinton in the primaries? upaloopa Oct 2015 #3

Hillary Clinton was a member of the DLC riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #7

Still not about the primaries upaloopa Oct 2015 #11

So you don't think a candidates past history is relevant? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #13

C'mon now. Not when it makes them look bad. Phlem Oct 2015 #56

Have you attempted to post any discussion in any forums lately? truedelphi Oct 2015 #37

They hearings yesterday were not about the primaries. Did you complain about those OPs? Autumn Oct 2015 #42

Make up your damned minds - TBF Oct 2015 #96

Obama was NEVER a member of the DLC. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #22

He self identifies as a "New Democrat" which is a DLC identifier riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #27

Same here. truedelphi Oct 2015 #40

Nothing in your link about him being in the DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #85

Lol! Parse away... riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #90

The only parsing being done is by anybody who would say Obama was a member of the DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #91

Lol!!! Oh I read it. Good luck with that... riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #102

Thanks for revealing just how much of an extremist you are. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #107

The irony! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #126

The heart break and reductio ad absurdum of Identity politics Fairgo Oct 2015 #152

Nope. Obama is a distinction without a difference riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #132

More extremism MohRokTah Oct 2015 #134

"radical leftist extremists" ? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #135

By their words they shall be known. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #136

Oh the extremist in this thread has made themselves known, all right. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #137

You would certainly know. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #139

Yep, I can spot right wing rhetoric a mile away. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #141

I can spot left wing extremism miles away and fortunately it has no effect outside internet forums. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #147

Conservative Dems: Words mean what we want them to mean on DU! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #148

There is no such thing as "Conservative Dems". MohRokTah Oct 2015 #149

ahem: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #150

Internet myth. There are no Conservative Democrats MohRokTah Oct 2015 #154

Just because you don't like the label doesn't mean it's a myth. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #155

Parse all you like MohRokTah Oct 2015 #156

Parse = proved Conservative Democrats aren't a myth? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #157

No proof whatsoever, just leftist extremist BS. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #158

bluedogdems.com is "leftist extremist BS"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #160

Keep digging. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #165

There is no such thing as "Global Warming"! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #162

LMAO! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #163

Lol! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #164

I'm convinced that you are really great at satire or really awful at trolling. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #178

What exactly is a "radical leftist extremist?" blackspade Oct 2015 #206

Shame on those radical leftist extremists for bring us the 8-hour workday, labor laws, ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #177

Actually, there are millions of sulphurdunn Oct 2015 #186

How dare he/she disagree with you! Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #176

Unknown to him he was listed as a member, and as soon as he found out... George II Oct 2015 #172

He's DLC - there are really better things to discuss TBF Oct 2015 #182

There are a lot of political myths that are accepted as gospel by the majority of people here YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #194

It's weird. I wonder how many people here are really Birthers, too. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #202

His own words: madfloridian Oct 2015 #28

Sweet link. Phlem Oct 2015 #62

Nothing in your link about him being in the DLC. He was NEVER a member of the DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #88

New Democrats rose from the DLC. Don't accuse me of falsehoods and innuendo. madfloridian Oct 2015 #123

Here's a link to help you. madfloridian Oct 2015 #124

Yet another link without anything about Obama being in the DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #128

Being so obtuse is not a virtue, you do realize this, right? Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #179

The ideologies of both Clintons parallel very closely with that of the old DLC and new Third Way. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #192

His own words: George II Oct 2015 #138

.... Phlem Oct 2015 #60

Nothing there about Obama being in the DLC. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #84

Of Course. Phlem Oct 2015 #170

If Sanders ever joined the Democratic Party... George II Oct 2015 #32

Or he could have stayed an Independent while voting for neverforget Oct 2015 #39

Like he did yesterday when he voted against a Dianne Feinstein amendment and... George II Oct 2015 #55

You mean when he stood with 12 Democrats to protect our privacy rights? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57

He voted WITH Rand Paul and against the majority of Democrats. George II Oct 2015 #67

He stood with these 12 Democrats, not with Rand Paul: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68

All I know is that he voted with a Republican Presidential candidate and voted against.... George II Oct 2015 #71

12 Dems, and 1 republican = voting with the republican? arcane1 Oct 2015 #74

So you're hinting that he did NOT vote with someone who could be his opponent next November..... George II Oct 2015 #77

How many republican candidates in 2007 and 2015 voted for, or endorsed, the Iraq war? arcane1 Oct 2015 #80

He voted to protect our privacy rights, and so did Elizabeth Warren. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76

When Sanders entered the Democratic Presidential race one the rationales both he and his followers.. George II Oct 2015 #116

Really? Do you have a link to where we said he "always votes with the Democratic caucus"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #117

I don't know why Warren voted against the amendment, all I know is that a Democratic... George II Oct 2015 #119

You would rather have him vote against our interests just to oppose Rand Paul? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120

Apparently he opposed about three quarters of the Democrats in the Senate, too. George II Oct 2015 #121

Because of privacy rights - good! You didn't answer my question, why do you support the bill? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #122

Here are the other Dems who voted the same way madfloridian Oct 2015 #98

12 Democrats voted against it (27%), 32 Democrats voted for it (72%) George II Oct 2015 #118

The only people i would consider Spirochete Oct 2015 #151

And 50 Republicans voted for it. Which means he voted against 98% of the Republicans voting. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #171

So the majority of the Democratic caucus voted with the GOP. blackspade Oct 2015 #207

No it isn't, you missed my point - Sanders and his followers like to throw out the concept.... George II Oct 2015 #211

You never did say, George, why do you support the bill? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #212

Who specifically makes that arguement? blackspade Oct 2015 #227

"All I know is that he voted with a Republican yada yada" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #131

Not a just a "republican yada yada", but a republican who may be running against Hillary Clinton.... George II Oct 2015 #210

And a Democratic woman who will hopefully be Bernie's VP! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #214

Yes, he should but he's not. That's very intriguing. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #215

Isn't it? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #217

Great, now I have Seinfeld's theme song as an earworm. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #221

Quick, listen to this George: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #222

Thanks, far better earworm. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #224

Who's obsessed with Paul? I just find it very disappointing that a person who is running.... George II Oct 2015 #216

You're disappointed that Senators Sanders and Warren are concerned with privacy rights? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #218

Huh? George II Oct 2015 #219

If you fault Bernie because he "stood" with a Republican you have to fault Hillary for doing it too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #220

Don't you love it when they leave crucial information OUT BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #153

It's the only way to make the memes work. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #159

Please explain why you think the vote was wrong. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #113

So you are saying Bill and Hillary became DLCers to gain something for themselves? Autumn Oct 2015 #46

I didn't say anything like that. Sanders isn't a "politician", he's an opportunist. George II Oct 2015 #50

In what way is he an "opportunist"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #59

ALL politicians are opportunists. Volaris Oct 2015 #72

George words do have meaning even if you don't want them to. Autumn Oct 2015 #75

Words mean whatever some Hillary supporters want them to mean: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83

I'm actually still chuckling at "Third Way Progressives" riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #92

Me too! But I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

Oh me neither. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #99

It's good for amusement but little else. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #101

Pretty soon it will be Bernie hates Obama! riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #105

They've been using that talking point for months, it's part of the 'Bernie is a racist' meme. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #106

That pathetic attempt at a meme hifiguy Oct 2015 #213

Funny isn't it. My favorite all time poster was the one complaining about rec circles Autumn Oct 2015 #110

You mean Big Rec™ ? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #111

I had no clue he had been trade marked LOL Autumn Oct 2015 #112

That was courtesy of Capt. Obvious! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #114

That depends on what the definition of 'IS' is. n/t Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #204

What? Are you really asking if Bill Clinton is in the primaries? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #190

Thanks mad. No matter which candidate one supports, your OPs are always 1st rate riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #5

Just saying is all portlander23 Oct 2015 #6

Good post. Their attacks on the social safety nets is to me a dangerous thing. madfloridian Oct 2015 #8

Great post. Very informative. Thank you. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #173

Yep. That's when the Democratic party started abandoning what was traditionally liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #9

Yes, they "switched loyalties." madfloridian Oct 2015 #15

The New Democrats were very apparent with a new 1998 law to privatize most of the U.S. DhhD Oct 2015 #95

Ah, thanks for that link. madfloridian Oct 2015 #97

"traditionally Democratic values" YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #195

And Third Way site has the info you need about TPP.... madfloridian Oct 2015 #10

Oh Goodie! To think that once again, truedelphi Oct 2015 #44

AND that new trade policy is going through no matter what. madfloridian Oct 2015 #161

K&R CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #12

Is there any lasting, positive testimony of Thirdwayer's contributions to society? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #16

They have had plenty of time to prove their way works and have failed. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #17

Obviously, there are people who don't realize that fact. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #26

K&R FloriTexan Oct 2015 #18

..... madfloridian Oct 2015 #19

Here is one from me. moabfan Oct 2015 #48

Before Clinton, Democrats couldn't gain the WH for 20+ years. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #25

Are you saying that artislife Oct 2015 #29

I think the choice to speak in "years" rather than "terms" is very telling HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #36

He only got in via a third party spoiler by the name moabfan Oct 2015 #53

That's a right wing myth. All evidence points to the contrary. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #78

What I've learned on DU is that some people would rather support gadfly, losing candidates YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #196

Um, it was 16 years between Carter and Clinton.... blackspade Oct 2015 #208

Excellent, thoughtful OP on the FACTS of this reprehensible Think Tank the represents the interests sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #30

"avoid economic populism at all costs" DirkGently Oct 2015 #31

Yeah, but she did once march down there and she told them, cut it out, guys! TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #33

we have yet to see the 401(k) bubble burst but it will. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #34

One day shenmue Oct 2015 #38

"shadowy libertarian accusations"???? madfloridian Oct 2015 #45

It's just weird.... haikugal Oct 2015 #142

Can't believe someone thinks I'm libertarian in any way. madfloridian Oct 2015 #143

Yeah.. haikugal Oct 2015 #145

I had already decided - no vote from me for any DLC, DINO, New Democrat Coalition, any politician djean111 Oct 2015 #43

The group's willingness to sacrifice Social Security and other social safety nets... madfloridian Oct 2015 #47

Shkreli Democrats MisterP Oct 2015 #51

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #54

Thanks. I just wish that the supporters of the conservative democratic candidate would Doctor_J Oct 2015 #64

K & R, explains a lot & makes perfect sense, it's all part of the oligarchy stranglehold mother earth Oct 2015 #65

No more Turd Way! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #82

Third Way? No way? Corporatists davemac Oct 2015 #86

K & R azmom Oct 2015 #87

Neolibs of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your principles! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #89

I saw folks trying to re-write history on DU today - TBF Oct 2015 #93

Thanks MadFloridian... Long But Concise & Clear! All I Have ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #100

More from Guardian 2005 Third Way Away Day madfloridian Oct 2015 #104

Others in 2005 were against Hillary Clinton being in the Senate. Blair's emails were known then. DhhD Oct 2015 #184

K & R historylovr Oct 2015 #108

Follow the money ;) Babel_17 Oct 2015 #109

HRC Is A Pawn Of the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Pay For Her Campaign cantbeserious Oct 2015 #127

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #129

'Bill' Clinton bigtree Oct 2015 #133

Except of course HRC actually was a DLC member riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #140

that tells me very little about her positions and record bigtree Oct 2015 #144

The DLC has/had very public positions on the issues riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #146

I don't need google bigtree Oct 2015 #181

No, it's misleading to try to separate Hillary from the DLC. DirkGently Oct 2015 #198

I agree Dem2 Oct 2015 #168

I see this discussion as about The DLC and/or The Third Way's influence on the Democratic rhett o rick Oct 2015 #191

more progressive than thou politics? bigtree Oct 2015 #225

Why don't you turn your questions into statements? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #228

Nice research Dem2 Oct 2015 #166

Also linked to Social Democracy via Anthony Giddens it seems: ucrdem Oct 2015 #167

If you like the third way you'll just love Hillary's presidency. Bernblu Oct 2015 #169

The legendary Tony Benn used to keep a tea mug in his office that read: forest444 Oct 2015 #185

great post Locrian Oct 2015 #193

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #197

Thank you emsimon33 Oct 2015 #199

No more Clinton. SoapBox Oct 2015 #200

A kinder, gentler republiconism noiretextatique Oct 2015 #201

What works for CONS (I.E. whatever they can get away with) Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #203

The essence of Third Way hifiguy Oct 2015 #209

How the Democratic Party Lost its Soul antigop Oct 2015 #223

After NAFTA 13 million new jobs were created, industrial grew 3x fasrer then the 2 previous decades BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #226

Now they say goal should be to have businesses hire all around the world. madfloridian Oct 2015 #229

Democrats were tired of losing the Presidency Recursion Oct 2015 #230