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Showing Original Post only (View all)Let's talk Third Way. Some links about its founding and the founders. [View all]
One link I found at The Guardian in 2003 recounts the founding and purpose from the point of view of Tony Blair.
A brief history of the third way
What was the third way all about?
The so-called third way is New Labour's attempt to build itself an ideological foundation. In the face of accusations that the decision to re-christen the party and re-write clause IV was motivated purely by electoralism, Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson sought to prove their ideological convictions.
.....Wasn't Bill Clinton involved?
Bill Clinton's electoral success after renaming his party the New Democrats was an inspiration to Mr Blair and his fellow Labour modernisers. Both shared the belief that a new ideological compass was needed.
In September 1998, Mr Clinton and Mr Blair held a conference in New York to officially launch their new ideology. Both said they rejected the neo-liberal belief that everything can be left to the market, but also saw the traditional left-of-centre faith in state intervention in the economy as outdated.
.....What's the state of play now?
Three years on, however, the outlook for the third way looks bleak. A Republican is in the White House and Mr Schröder has turned away from his earlier fascination with the Clinton-Blair outlook towards a more traditional leftwing stance.
TIME carried an article about this in 1998. They called it the Third Way Wonkfest. The link is still there, but it's behind a firewall. I saved a few paragraphs.
Tony Blair, the New Dems and the Third Way Wonkfest 1998.
After Bill Clinton and Tony Blair finish with the elegant dinners and toasts at the G-8 summit this week in England, the real fun begins: the two leaders will lock themselves in a room with a clutch of top officials to talk about government policy for four or five hours. The Sunday meeting at Chequers, the Prime Minister's country mansion north of London, will be the third such bilateral seminar, following one at the White House, when Blair visited in February, and the inaugural 12-hr. "wonkathon" at Chequers in November, when Hillary Clinton sat in for her husband.
The lofty chatfests symbolize the intimate political relationship between Clinton, a "new Democrat," and Blair, creator of new Labour. Each claims to embody a type of politics that is not just a poll-driven centrism but a "third way," a favorite Blair slogan and a phrase that Clinton highlighted in this year's State of the Union message. "Both governments have to react to challenges like globalization and better education for workers, and we have similar perspectives on what's needed," says White House aide Sidney Blumenthal, who organizes the meetings with his British counterpart, David Miliband, Blair's policy chief.
On the agenda for Chequers are social security, welfare, crime, health policy and education, with eight to 10 participants from each side.
The DLC, a very strong think tank at the time, were very pleased that Tony Blair was in support of the Iraq War. In fact they even named the Democrats who voted for the war the "Blair Democrats."
From the WP
The Blair Democrats: Ready for Battle
Will Marshall May 1, 2003
The U.S.-led coalition's stunning success in liberating Iraq is undoubtedly a triumph for President Bush. But Karl Rove shouldn't get too giddy, because it may be a boon for some Democrats, too.
After all, four of the leading Democratic presidential contenders -- Rep. Dick Gephardt and Sens. Joseph Lieberman, John Kerry and John Edwards -- not only voted to support the war but also joined British Prime Minister Tony Blair in demanding that Bush challenge the United Nations to live up to its responsibilities to disarm Iraq. This position put these "Blair Democrats" in sync with the vast majority of Americans who said they would much rather attack Saddam Hussein's regime with United Nations backing than without it. And it puts them at odds with what Kerry called the "blustery unilateralism" of the president, which combined with French obstructionism to rupture not only the United Nations but the Atlantic alliance as well.
Like Bush, these Democrats did not shrink from the use of force to end Hussein's reign of terror. Like Blair, they saw the Iraq crisis as a test of Western resolve and the United Nations' credibility as an effective instrument of collective security.
And from Lee Fang at The Nation in 2013:
GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Ways Advice for the Democratic Party
Third Way, a centrist think tank that portrays itself as a Democratic group, has some advice for the party: avoid economic populism at all costs. In a column for The Wall Street Journal today, the group argues that the party should steer clear of creating a strong safety net, and criticizes Mayor-elect Bill de Blasios call for universal pre-K funded through an upper-income tax increase as a foolhardy idea for national Democrats.
......Buried inside the annual report for Third Way is a revelation that the group relies on a peculiar DC consulting firm to raise half a million a year: Peck, Madigan, Jones & Stewart. Peck Madigan is no ordinary nonprofit buckraiser. The group is, in fact, a corporate lobbying firm that represents Deutsche Bank, Intel, the Business Roundtable, Amgen, AT&T, the International Swaps & Derivatives Association, MasterCard, New York Life Insurance, PhRMA and the US Chamber of Commerce, among others.
The two organizations complement each other well. Peck Madigan signs as a lobbyist for the government of New Zealand on the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal; Third Way aggressively promotes the deal. Peck Madigan clients push for entitlement cuts, and so does Third Way.
Notice that Humana, a major health insurance company, lists its $50,000 donation to Third Way not as a donation to a think tank but as part of its yearly budget spent on lobbying activity, up there with the Florida Chamber and other trade associations. The company views financial gifts to Third Way as part of its strategy for increasing its profit-making political influence.
Whats more, Third Ways leadership has tenuous connections to the Democratic Party it hopes to shape. Daniel Loeb, a hedge fund manager listed as a trustee on Third Ways 2012 annual disclosure, bundled $556,031 for Mitt Romney last year. Third Way board member Derek Kaufman, another hedge fund executive, also gave to Romney.
They call themselves "progressives", but they are not at all.
They represent everything that Bernie Sanders is opposing right now.
Bill Clinton was there at the founding of the DLC as well. The founder, Al From, made it clear they wanted to have a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party.
The DLC group is sometimes portrayed as a pro-Wall Street set of lobbyists. And From did recruit hedge fund legends like Michael Steinhardt to fund his movement. But to argue these people were corrupt or motivated by a pay to play form of politics is wrong. From is clearly a reformer and an ideologue, and his colleagues believed they were serving the public interest. Make no mistake about it, wrote From in a memo about his organizations strategy, what we hope to accomplish with the DLC is a bloodless revolution in our party." It is not unlike what the conservatives accomplished in the Republican Party during the 1960s and 1970s.
Al From's words to Bill Clinton about NAFTA show whose interests the DLC and its new form, the Third Way, had in mind.
'Politically, a victory on NAFTA would assert your leadership over your own party by making it clear that you, not the Democratic leadership in Congress or the interest groups, set the Democratic Partys agenda on matters of real national importance.
They may claim to be "progressives", but in thought and deed the two groups are/were "conservative."
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Let's talk Third Way. Some links about its founding and the founders. [View all]
madfloridian
Oct 2015
OP
Go for it, why wait? The rest of us will have more air and water after you leave.
dreamnightwind
Oct 2015
#49
There's a difference between saying what Sanders himself says he is, i.e., "socialist".....
George II
Oct 2015
#174
Some people's understanding, such as the author of that thread, of socialism ...
Fantastic Anarchist
Oct 2015
#175
I guess FDR and a middle class with the highest standard of living the world has ever known...
raindaddy
Oct 2015
#187
The game Monopoly proves Capitalism is an abysmal failure for all but one lone winner.
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#188
I still support Sanders and oppose Hillary more than I did before this OP was posted.
Autumn
Oct 2015
#41
The only conclusion is that you support the leadership of corporations and their puppets and
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#130
As I stated previously, anyone that doesn't support Sanders is voting for selfish reasons.
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#189
They hearings yesterday were not about the primaries. Did you complain about those OPs?
Autumn
Oct 2015
#42
The only parsing being done is by anybody who would say Obama was a member of the DLC.
MohRokTah
Oct 2015
#91
Oh the extremist in this thread has made themselves known, all right.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#137
I can spot left wing extremism miles away and fortunately it has no effect outside internet forums.
MohRokTah
Oct 2015
#147
I'm convinced that you are really great at satire or really awful at trolling.
Fantastic Anarchist
Oct 2015
#178
Shame on those radical leftist extremists for bring us the 8-hour workday, labor laws, ...
Fantastic Anarchist
Oct 2015
#177
There are a lot of political myths that are accepted as gospel by the majority of people here
YoungDemCA
Oct 2015
#194
Nothing in your link about him being in the DLC. He was NEVER a member of the DLC.
MohRokTah
Oct 2015
#88
New Democrats rose from the DLC. Don't accuse me of falsehoods and innuendo.
madfloridian
Oct 2015
#123
The ideologies of both Clintons parallel very closely with that of the old DLC and new Third Way.
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#192
Like he did yesterday when he voted against a Dianne Feinstein amendment and...
George II
Oct 2015
#55
You mean when he stood with 12 Democrats to protect our privacy rights?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#57
All I know is that he voted with a Republican Presidential candidate and voted against....
George II
Oct 2015
#71
So you're hinting that he did NOT vote with someone who could be his opponent next November.....
George II
Oct 2015
#77
How many republican candidates in 2007 and 2015 voted for, or endorsed, the Iraq war?
arcane1
Oct 2015
#80
He voted to protect our privacy rights, and so did Elizabeth Warren.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#76
When Sanders entered the Democratic Presidential race one the rationales both he and his followers..
George II
Oct 2015
#116
Really? Do you have a link to where we said he "always votes with the Democratic caucus"?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#117
I don't know why Warren voted against the amendment, all I know is that a Democratic...
George II
Oct 2015
#119
You would rather have him vote against our interests just to oppose Rand Paul?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#120
Apparently he opposed about three quarters of the Democrats in the Senate, too.
George II
Oct 2015
#121
Because of privacy rights - good! You didn't answer my question, why do you support the bill?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#122
And 50 Republicans voted for it. Which means he voted against 98% of the Republicans voting.
RichVRichV
Oct 2015
#171
No it isn't, you missed my point - Sanders and his followers like to throw out the concept....
George II
Oct 2015
#211
Not a just a "republican yada yada", but a republican who may be running against Hillary Clinton....
George II
Oct 2015
#210
Who's obsessed with Paul? I just find it very disappointing that a person who is running....
George II
Oct 2015
#216
You're disappointed that Senators Sanders and Warren are concerned with privacy rights?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#218
If you fault Bernie because he "stood" with a Republican you have to fault Hillary for doing it too.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#220
So you are saying Bill and Hillary became DLCers to gain something for themselves?
Autumn
Oct 2015
#46
I didn't say anything like that. Sanders isn't a "politician", he's an opportunist.
George II
Oct 2015
#50
They've been using that talking point for months, it's part of the 'Bernie is a racist' meme.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#106
Funny isn't it. My favorite all time poster was the one complaining about rec circles
Autumn
Oct 2015
#110
Thanks mad. No matter which candidate one supports, your OPs are always 1st rate
riderinthestorm
Oct 2015
#5
Good post. Their attacks on the social safety nets is to me a dangerous thing.
madfloridian
Oct 2015
#8
Yep. That's when the Democratic party started abandoning what was traditionally
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2015
#9
The New Democrats were very apparent with a new 1998 law to privatize most of the U.S.
DhhD
Oct 2015
#95
Is there any lasting, positive testimony of Thirdwayer's contributions to society?
Baitball Blogger
Oct 2015
#16
They have had plenty of time to prove their way works and have failed.
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2015
#17
I think the choice to speak in "years" rather than "terms" is very telling
HereSince1628
Oct 2015
#36
What I've learned on DU is that some people would rather support gadfly, losing candidates
YoungDemCA
Oct 2015
#196
Excellent, thoughtful OP on the FACTS of this reprehensible Think Tank the represents the interests
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#30
Yeah, but she did once march down there and she told them, cut it out, guys!
TwilightGardener
Oct 2015
#33
I had already decided - no vote from me for any DLC, DINO, New Democrat Coalition, any politician
djean111
Oct 2015
#43
The group's willingness to sacrifice Social Security and other social safety nets...
madfloridian
Oct 2015
#47
Thanks. I just wish that the supporters of the conservative democratic candidate would
Doctor_J
Oct 2015
#64
K & R, explains a lot & makes perfect sense, it's all part of the oligarchy stranglehold
mother earth
Oct 2015
#65
Neolibs of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your principles!
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2015
#89
Others in 2005 were against Hillary Clinton being in the Senate. Blair's emails were known then.
DhhD
Oct 2015
#184
HRC Is A Pawn Of the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Pay For Her Campaign
cantbeserious
Oct 2015
#127
I see this discussion as about The DLC and/or The Third Way's influence on the Democratic
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#191
After NAFTA 13 million new jobs were created, industrial grew 3x fasrer then the 2 previous decades
BlueStateLib
Oct 2015
#226
Now they say goal should be to have businesses hire all around the world.
madfloridian
Oct 2015
#229