2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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124. And yet DUers have been claiming that the Wikileaks versions are real and current.

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:12 PM

Oct 2015

So which is it?

If the latest Wikileaks version is accurate, then she's had to same opportunity to see it as anyone else.

If any leaked version since she left office has been accurate, and represents a change from the version she approved of three years ago, then it would be reasonable for her to decide that, due to changes, she can no longer approve of the TPP. Which is what she is saying.

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Oops! The White House Just Called Hillary Out! Caught in a lie? [View all] sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP

The tension is between Clinton's actual policy and her need to placate-- eridani Oct 2015 #1

Yes. Which is why so many people see her as a 'phony' with no convictions. I don't agree. I think sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #4

Landing in Bosnia under fire again Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #111

Apparently it's a pattern with her MissDeeds Oct 2015 #118

She is trying not to contradict Obama AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #5

Obama and his wife... CoffeeCat Oct 2015 #29

She either... a) Leaked a confidential viewing, betraying trust; 2) Lied about viewing it. TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #127

I was wondering how she read the thing! Wikileaks seems to be the only source for us! Mendacity! TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #70

Hillary has turned into a woman that has sold her SOUL... Rockyj Oct 2015 #141

No she has not... FarPoint Oct 2015 #153

If you call a liar a top level player bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #177

The Koch Brothers are also top-level players, but that doesn't make them good for the country.[n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #180

Yawn...you are a little late to the post-debate Pity Party!? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #160

Bawhahaha! marym625 Oct 2015 #2

Someone has a growing veracity problem.... catnhatnh Oct 2015 #3

When I read this, I did think of the sniper fire claim. I haven't bothered with as it isn't about sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6

The naming story is disturbing... catnhatnh Oct 2015 #9

It's the need for self-aggrandizement behind both of those stories that bothers me. winter is coming Oct 2015 #10

President? Duppers Oct 2015 #32

I'm torn between loving him for doing what he did, but no way would I have gotten her sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12

Hillary's intentional mishandling of classified information SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #21

Sanders point is how MSM focuses on a couple past issues, instead of focusing on active concerns! TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #72

"Hillary's email defense is laughable" I should know—I ran FOIA for the U.S. government SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #174

I think Bernie did the right thing. The FBI is still looking into jwirr Oct 2015 #93

OK, I'll humor you and wait for the content. SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #170

And I agree. It is not necessarily a question of guilt it is jwirr Oct 2015 #171

And I agree with you. SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #175

Here's the link about Hillary's name... catnhatnh Oct 2015 #7

Had not heard this before--thanks. bvf Oct 2015 #27

Thanks for the link. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #139

During 2008, I kept trying to figure out her home state artislife Oct 2015 #8

Well we know she has claimed catnhatnh Oct 2015 #11

*chortle nt artislife Oct 2015 #14

A little education - she was born in Illinois.... George II Oct 2015 #119

So is being "proud" of alert stalking cui bono Oct 2015 #129

What does all that tripe have to do with where Hillary Clinton has lived during her life? George II Oct 2015 #132

Nothing. Why do you call what I posted "tripe"? cui bono Oct 2015 #134

2. George II Oct 2015 #138

lol Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #140

Wrong. cui bono Oct 2015 #142

Selective screen shots.....totally ignoring (or evading) the context and sarcasm involved, yet.... George II Oct 2015 #149

Oh please, do tell, what was the context of you saying you were prodding cali into a 5th hide? cui bono Oct 2015 #164

I'm a Bernie supporter but... cannabis_flower Oct 2015 #161

Except that it's not because it's true. The evidence is at the link. cui bono Oct 2015 #165

I was referring to where she lived... cannabis_flower Oct 2015 #168

Speaking of.......the results are in: davidpdx Oct 2015 #148

LOL, thanks. cui bono Oct 2015 #167

Lol, I know who the alerter is. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #169

You can tell by her accent she's from the State... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #178

Oops!...Hillary caught lying?! Shirley you're joking! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #25

Maybe the Hillary Step is named after Clinton!! CoffeeCat Oct 2015 #30

Is it news that Hillary told another little fib? Bernblu Oct 2015 #13

She did lie when she claimed she said "I hoped it would be the gold standard", she actually said PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #15

No proof 6chars Oct 2015 #45

No. cui bono Oct 2015 #130

She actually said "This TPP sets the iron pyrite standard in trade agreements . . ." Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #145

How do you know she hasn't looked at the same Wikileaks LEAKED document that so many DUers pnwmom Oct 2015 #16

Her relying on Wikileaks to make judgements on important policy issues, particularly with what she cpompilo Oct 2015 #65

Sanders and many DUers are relying on the leaked documents, or reports of the pnwmom Oct 2015 #125

When did she look at those leaks? THEY are why every Union in the country has opposed sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68

Besides the hypocrisy of using Wikileaks as a source, her final draft statement is quite revealing! TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #71

She used Wikileaks? Then she should have opposed it at least a year or two ago. What took sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #76

These transparent, unnecessary little lies. senz Oct 2015 #17

Everyone else is claiming to have read the leaked document. Why not Hillary? pnwmom Oct 2015 #18

I have noticed Andy823 Oct 2015 #61

I believe Wikileaks only published the Intellectual Property subset, not the full document. TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #74

I have seen this sort of behavior before. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #37

Hasn't big chunks of the thing been LEAKED already? MADem Oct 2015 #19

Apparently she doesn't. If she had, she would have known what a majority of us knew. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #83

She like upper level managers, do not have to read or think about things, they have people LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #102

"there are very few politicians out there that have any real opinions" 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #103

I think Bernie is the anomaly. I am sure that there are others. But I think generally they hire LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #107

The reasonable interpretation of her statements is that she looked at the finalized agreement. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #85

She has staff, they likely made sure she had access to all the available MADem Oct 2015 #121

She is pretty sure you wipe a server with like a cloth or something, NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #101

You seriously think that using Google rises to the level of complexity of understanding how a MADem Oct 2015 #120

Hillary imagining things again. 840high Oct 2015 #20

Chronic spinning can lead a person to actually believe their lies virtualobserver Oct 2015 #24

I hear her copy has a bullet hole in it from sniper fire. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #22

Saddam's Al Qaeda tried to assassinate her in Bosnia jfern Oct 2015 #23

Well my daughter won't like this... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #26

Obama experienced the wrath of Clinton... CoffeeCat Oct 2015 #28

When Hillary said that about Obama my anger went through the roof. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #35

" " " " " n/t MBS Oct 2015 #42

wow..Sanders supporters.... chillfactor Oct 2015 #31

Believe it or not, some people don't like liars. senz Oct 2015 #73

Run Hillary, snipers!! Milliesmom Oct 2015 #33

Cut it out! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #34

sabrina, do you have a link for your excerpts? nt antigop Oct 2015 #36

I posted it OKNancy Oct 2015 #47

You got a reply to that post... cui bono Oct 2015 #166

Ha ha ha!!!! Hillary got caught telling a whopper!!! Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #38

And all the people complaining HERE about the Wikileaks document pnwmom Oct 2015 #63

Your comment #16 contradicts this comment. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #144

From the makers of "Bernie is going to win all 50 states" comes another comedy cosmicone Oct 2015 #39

What evidence do you have of that? Also... Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #41

Hillary has access at the highest levels cosmicone Oct 2015 #44

she has told thousands of easily verified lies Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #53

ummmm yeah whatever n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #58

Here are the newest ones that I am aware of, more almost every day. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #94

didn't she help as SOS to negotiate some of this abomination? What is this I don't roguevalley Oct 2015 #105

truthdig on her participation in the TPP roguevalley Oct 2015 #106

Here is another one.... Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #116

This is pure spin. Let Hillary OR the White House state publicly that she was given access. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #89

Why should they? It is up to you to prove that she didn't have access. cosmicone Oct 2015 #91

OK, here's my evidence. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #100

The problem Hillary has is not Benghazi - - it's her penchant to lie. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #146

Now that is Major hogwash, not dissimilar to RW media memes. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #150

I apologize, Fred. I wrote that post while I was busy dodging bullets in Bosnia. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #154

Major digging into which to dump the hogwash? "Hillary is a liar", is your last resort, we get it!? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #155

I can't help myself, man. I just found out the other day that I am a member of a cult, led by Bernie Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #157

There is a reason they call sarcasm the highest form of humor; my bet is you do not know why?! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #158

OH, SO THAT'S YOUR GAME? Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #159

She is not stupid enough to tell an easily verifiable lie ? TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #97

As opposed to her hard to verify lies? Divernan Oct 2015 #113

Duck and Cover! ! ! Incoming! ! ! oh . . . . .never mind. Divernan Oct 2015 #112

The White House thinks Bernie's going to win? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #59

I'm tired of your shit catnhatnh Oct 2015 #75

Results of Jury Service Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #98

so you are saying she has a copy the whitehouse does not know about? questionseverything Oct 2015 #80

Lol....what a glorious win, lol Sheepshank Oct 2015 #88

When Bengazhi died and destroyed the Committee to Destroy Clinton...what else is there left to sing? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #151

Two lies in two sentences. Hillary is hitting her stride. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #40

Hillary will lie to you until the cows come home madokie Oct 2015 #43

Oops, right wing sources spins the White House response OKNancy Oct 2015 #46

The stench of Libertarians are all over this OP. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #51

I can smell it too! zappaman Oct 2015 #82

Oops, is right... Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #66

Then, tell us the truth, why don't you? Jim Lane Oct 2015 #90

Didn't you know? The white house is a right-wing source Scootaloo Oct 2015 #128

If it's not available for review ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #48

LOTS of it have been leaked. George II Oct 2015 #114

When she said "looking at it," the "it" in question is the weathervane atop her campaign HQ. Scuba Oct 2015 #49

This one? hootinholler Oct 2015 #60

That's the one. Scuba Oct 2015 #62

OMG....I love that graphic!!! +1,000!!! Hepburn Oct 2015 #123

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #50

I hope you're lying catnhatnh Oct 2015 #77

Bernie hadn't read it either 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #52

He was against it for that very reason... lack of transparency berni_mccoy Oct 2015 #54

So, if it had turned out to be a good bill 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #57

Been saying this for a long time. And i thought the HC said "from what heard about it..." nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #55

Maybe she did read parts of it, but this was clearly a lie: Vattel Oct 2015 #56

That was NOT clearly a lie. The version she approved of 3 years ago as S of S is DIFFERENT pnwmom Oct 2015 #64

WH says she hasn't seen the final one. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #69

She stated her support while it was still being negotiated. Now she is free to say what she thinks. Hoyt Oct 2015 #78

She has no new information over what she and we had from the leaks and the few peeks members of sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #95

Don't agree. Besides, this is not a significant issue. Hoyt Oct 2015 #99

And yet DUers have been claiming that the Wikileaks versions are real and current. pnwmom Oct 2015 #124

She lied about what she had said. Get over it. She was caught. Vattel Oct 2015 #79

She lacks moral fibre. azmom Oct 2015 #67

Nobody can defend her on this one, LOL! reformist2 Oct 2015 #81

Stay tuned, you hater. winter is coming Oct 2015 #104

Was Bernie telling the truth in his now famous essays on women and their fantasies?:?4)-)2 Sheepshank Oct 2015 #84

Tension between HRC and the WH, you say Sheepshank Oct 2015 #86

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #87

If, as she claims, she's not an "insider" how did she get to read it? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #96

Why am I not surprised? eom Duval Oct 2015 #108

Earnest didn't "call Hillary out" nor was she "caught in a lie". George II Oct 2015 #109

Give her a break, she pulled herself out of poverty after the White House. nt Logical Oct 2015 #110

A dead broke war hero, dodging sniper fire, fighting job killing trade agreements, spreading whereisjustice Oct 2015 #115

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #117

She's just not "trustable." n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #122

The bellicose headline of the OP would not be out of place at Newsmax. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #126

This isn't about emails. I agree with Bernie on that, her campaign has said that it is the email sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #131

It seems more an issue of semantics than one worthy of yet more outrage. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #133

Not surprising... peace13 Oct 2015 #135

If Republicans were smart, they would come out against this agreement BlueStreak Oct 2015 #136

The TPP is one of the most important issues for voters in this campaign. Every single Union eg, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #137

Fear of the unknown is one of the most common fears. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #143

Not sure I follow your point BlueStreak Oct 2015 #152

If there is a massive campaign to keep it secret . . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #162

That doesn't apply in the case of the TPP. For one thing, we KNOW that the original fears of sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #163

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #147

Not accurate. The Washington Post, NY Times, and WSJ have been releasing the most controversial still_one Oct 2015 #156

There's a shocker. Hillary lied AGAIN. askew Oct 2015 #172

This is just classic strawman, nothing more Tarc Oct 2015 #173

Nope. Hillary lied. askew Oct 2015 #179

She remembered reading it... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #176