2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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163. Which would only reveal what was known months ago

Reply to cheapdate (Reply #160)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

Oct 2015

at least when it comes to the TPP itself. Which leads to the question, "what took so long?"

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Memo To Progressives: Hillary Clinton Is Lying To You - Salon [View all] WillyT Oct 2015 OP

Ouch Armstead Oct 2015 #1

The truth hurts. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #106

Salon is lying about Hillary: Hillary made room for Obama's out of respect for Obama lewebley3 Oct 2015 #199

Some of us can tell when people are lying before they even say a word. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #2

Hillary's not trustworthy? Who knew? Scuba Oct 2015 #3

Most of us who are not Hillary fans passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #51

I've often thought about that also. Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #88

Oh, they see it. They just don't give a shit. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #194

You have brought the coolaid from the GOP Benguzi committee! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #201

Hardly ... Scuba Oct 2015 #208

Just say no! to Sanders: Say yes to a real Dem Hillary! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #210

Pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-Keystone XL, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP.That's a "real Dem"? Scuba Oct 2015 #212

Hillary pro Dem, not socialism lewebley3 Oct 2015 #223

Socialism!!!!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!!! Scuba Oct 2015 #225

I know. Yikes is one good way to put it. n/t truedelphi Oct 2015 #227

Hillary is very trust worthy, her career has been very consistent lewebley3 Oct 2015 #204

Too funny. blackspade Oct 2015 #213

It is a total shameless move. No integrity azmom Oct 2015 #4

Of course she is. 99Forever Oct 2015 #5

As tulare tom put it so well, hifiguy Oct 2015 #48

+ a bazillion marym625 Oct 2015 #203

Her plan is to have Obama get it shoved down our throats and then oppose it all the way to the WH Vincardog Oct 2015 #58

Thread winner. hifiguy Oct 2015 #85

Spot on analysis Docreed2003 Oct 2015 #90

I'd like to know what Salon means by "progressives." SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #97

Not terribly surprising kenfrequed Oct 2015 #6

Oh, we know that. We know that. Rest assured, we know that. n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #7

Let's face it Matariki Oct 2015 #8

if tecelote Oct 2015 #11

I don't have to. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13

the voting is over and the winners declared before we close up shop in my state roguevalley Oct 2015 #16

You must be out west somewhere. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #20

I hear you. I'm in Alaska. We're so unimportant that they don't have us on roguevalley Oct 2015 #77

And some people, particularly Texans, don't recognize Fawke Em Oct 2015 #109

isn't that great? We are 2.5 times bigger. :D:D:D roguevalley Oct 2015 #118

Heck. I thought you were even bigger than that! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #119

if it helps, from end to end, we stretch from New York to California in total length. :D:D:D roguevalley Oct 2015 #121

I love that Alaska is marym625 Oct 2015 #205

right there with you. I'm in Texas. Javaman Oct 2015 #25

Same here, except I live in a state that is always sky blue hifiguy Oct 2015 #49

You can only speak for yourself on that. I will be focusing on Congress sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #19

I wish I had that choice, too. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #23

Sounds exactly like my state MuseRider Oct 2015 #35

I'm in Tennessee. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #110

Ugh is right. MuseRider Oct 2015 #138

Debbie Does Dinner ;) marym625 Oct 2015 #206

Well, who else would you expect on 'Jackson Day?' blackspade Oct 2015 #214

I don't think in the part of PA where I love the Democratic party even has a bench Pakid Oct 2015 #196

speak for yourself, please restorefreedom Oct 2015 #38

I hope you are right. Matariki Oct 2015 #69

i truly believe... restorefreedom Oct 2015 #70

Sadly I've become cynical Matariki Oct 2015 #72

i am not uncynical restorefreedom Oct 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Oct 2015 #84

No, American don't want the truth, they want Tumps lies lewebley3 Oct 2015 #202

nope ish of the hammer Oct 2015 #87

IF IF she wins. pangaia Oct 2015 #103

Voting against her opponent and supporting her are two different things. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #154

I'm not voting Clinton. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #226

She twice voted against CAFTA BainsBane Oct 2015 #9

According to her own records, her stated opposition to NAFTA is a lie. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #17

This is where I read of her opposition to it BainsBane Oct 2015 #41

Perhaps you should ask your co-Hillary supporter, journalist Steve Leser about Hillary's lies. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #79

This should be posted in an OP of its own, along with someone ELSE'S takedowns of Hillary... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #120

Another one who made a 180 about her. NealK Oct 2015 #127

One of my proudest moments was when I got banned from the Hillary group for pointing out some A Simple Game Oct 2015 #140

Wow, that's so weird. NealK Oct 2015 #143

No it makes sense, evolving seems to be their norm, at least for their leader. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #148

I just got banned from the Hillary group too nyabingi Oct 2015 #198

As I noted above, she has a Nixon-like chameleonic ability hifiguy Oct 2015 #215

How about consulting the union workers in Mexico after Clinton worked to priviatize the DhhD Oct 2015 #95

To me, that's a Republican. Screwing latinos, workers, the poor. Deceiving the electorate. senz Oct 2015 #168

Screwing Latinos, workers and the poor: DhhD Oct 2015 #197

Wow, thank you! More proof she serves oligarchs, not people. senz Oct 2015 #220

"if you don't like a statement, it's a lie". No more truer words spoken. still_one Oct 2015 #102

First of all HRC has been all over the map on the TPP. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #18

Clearly you didn't read my post BainsBane Oct 2015 #55

A little curious on this one... hughee99 Oct 2015 #81

Regarding her calling the TPP "the gold standard", there are a number of sources available that rhett o rick Oct 2015 #117

So she was against it before being for it and now (supposedly) against it again. NealK Oct 2015 #135

Hillary was working on Obama behalf, a Dem president: She did her job! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #209

Wut? NealK Oct 2015 #222

Why would she speak out in favor of something she opposes? arcane1 Oct 2015 #30

Because as First Lady her role was to support her husband BainsBane Oct 2015 #34

So instead of simply saying nothing, she lied to the public about supporting it. arcane1 Oct 2015 #39

Another person who tosses around the word lie BainsBane Oct 2015 #43

You said she opposed it privately but supported it in public. arcane1 Oct 2015 #50

Yesterday she said she just learned about it. Duckfan Oct 2015 #66

As blatantly obvious as it was to us floriduck Oct 2015 #78

That's an interesting take coming from a self-proclaimed feminist. cui bono Oct 2015 #137

Unreal! NealK Oct 2015 #150

. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #10

Yep... WillyT Oct 2015 #130

^^^this^^^ HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #207

Wow, that title is a real chain jerker. nt Snotcicles Oct 2015 #12

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #14

if she expects anyone to believe her ibegurpard Oct 2015 #15

Did she give a specific reason for the change in stance? Bradical79 Oct 2015 #21

salon is just a rw rag that hates Hillary magical thyme Oct 2015 #22

We hate her and that's why she lies. Poor woman. 840high Oct 2015 #32

Bwahahaha... cui bono Oct 2015 #167

lol -- especially Joan Walsh senz Oct 2015 #169

In July, sunshine is likely in the Sahara. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #24

I agree, but Bernblu Oct 2015 #26

K&R eom Duval Oct 2015 #27

Hillary is a liar! Hillary is a liar! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Oct 2015 #28

Agree. These types of posts are sooo boring. YAWN!!! Laser102 Oct 2015 #33

What would I say if Hillary wins? clamshells Oct 2015 #46

Yep, 20 years of spew and hate and she is still ahead. leftofcool Oct 2015 #116

do you have any substantive info to counter with? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #36

Stever Leser, in 2008, concluded that Hillary lied about her stance on NAFTA Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #83

OMG!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #107

And now he worships her! NealK Oct 2015 #139

Yep. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #157

Wonder what happened to him? senz Oct 2015 #170

There are some AWESOME quotes in this article from the Fox Contributor... some of my favorites: cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #122

All these quotes are still relevant today. NealK Oct 2015 #142

From the reading up thread Steve Leser could answer those questions for you. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #146

If he knows about this thread... he's avoiding it like the plague. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #149

Here's a sample provided by BMUS: NealK Oct 2015 #153

HOLY CRAP!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #155

+1 840high Oct 2015 #173

What we're seeing... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #211

That last cartoon is literally a moonshot home run. hifiguy Oct 2015 #216

Once a weathervane, always a weathervane. neverforget Oct 2015 #151

Some of us... Oldtimeralso Oct 2015 #189

Checkmate! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #185

Anyone with an ounce of brains knows 840high Oct 2015 #29

And it's going to be stuck to her through the primaries. Duckfan Oct 2015 #68

+1 darkangel218 Oct 2015 #105

LOL, so what else is new. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #31

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #37

that is gonna leave a mark restorefreedom Oct 2015 #40

In fairness, media is making a bigger deal of this than Hillary's words warranted. merrily Oct 2015 #42

Obviously. hifiguy Oct 2015 #44

Dear prospective voters Plucketeer Oct 2015 #45

We know it's a charade Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #56

She did it for the debate next week. Now she can say on National TV... Tommymac Oct 2015 #159

DUers are stone cold ignorant about trade policy politics, the records and views of the official Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #47

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #52

Me too, stonecutter357, but these hate-filled katmille Oct 2015 #156

Why not post the truth about NAFTA when she did not llike the deal before it was passed? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #53

Here is Hillary Clinton before and after on NAFTA. TM99 Oct 2015 #57

Thank you for posting about Hillary being a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #60

You obviously did NOT read the linked articles. TM99 Oct 2015 #63

The viciousness of this thread is disheartening redstateblues Oct 2015 #177

Poor Hillary Oilwellian Oct 2015 #54

"Poor" is not really a proper word to describe her. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #59

Why is it a memo to progressives? I don't think there are any in her camp. All the progressives and YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #61

It's not really lying, it's pragmatism. zeemike Oct 2015 #62

Let's just get rid of the idea that GD:P is a thing anymore. shenmue Oct 2015 #64

there is a reason why GDP became anti Hillary "smears" olddots Oct 2015 #94

Yeah... might as well go back to her group, or that other site, and let them know people are talking cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #123

We know. nt valerief Oct 2015 #65

There is NO denying her Flip-Flopping around. SoapBox Oct 2015 #67

I'm well aware. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #71

. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #73

Great find WillyT. Certainly has the ring of truth. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #74

Look at Luminous Animal's link!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #114

Hillary's "Liar Factor" 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #124

That quote in darkangel's post is from Steve Leser in 2008 Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #125

Yes, I saw that. Thank you 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #126

Thanks !!! - It Needed To Be Said... WillyT Oct 2015 #133

It' was completely predictable raindaddy Oct 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Oct 2015 #80

+1 darkangel218 Oct 2015 #113

She is all for it, but the wind is against it. mhatrw Oct 2015 #82

Also, the sky is blue. (nt) a2liberal Oct 2015 #86

The only that surprises me Ms. Toad Oct 2015 #89

Waiting for someone to claim Salon is a Right Wing rag. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #91

She totally hates TPP now... despite negotiating portions of it and promoting it for years... EEO Oct 2015 #92

lol Go Vols Oct 2015 #217

Listen Now. Lets just PLEASE give her a chance! Kokonoe Oct 2015 #93

Schrodinger's Candidate? arcane1 Oct 2015 #96

More like the Forrest Gump Candidate: Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #112

Heisenberg's maybe. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #152

LOL indeed! n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #162

Excellent. hifiguy Oct 2015 #218

I couldn't possibly vote Thespian2 Oct 2015 #98

K&R. She has been talking out of both sides of her mouth on a number of issues for years. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #99

Get Rid Of The Liar billhicks76 Oct 2015 #100

wow, another Hillary bashing article from salon. Salon media group, not worth the 13 cents a share still_one Oct 2015 #101

Oh no! Do you mean Wall Street isn't impressed with Salon? Heaven forfend! DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #104

The message sucks so attack the messenger. neverforget Oct 2015 #115

nope, they are a bunch of inept folks who are going bankrupt, and have been losing their good still_one Oct 2015 #128

Good thing you were around to get to what's important. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #129

yeah, an anti-hillary asshole who works for Salon, and get attention by calling her a liar. still_one Oct 2015 #132

168 recs suggests that most here disagree with you. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #134

185 Recs now. And there's this: NealK Oct 2015 #158

I think she brought that on herself. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #164

most posts slamming Hillary on DU get recs. When a DUer said President Obama was a "POS" still_one Oct 2015 #175

It is interesting criteria. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #176

Alert on me, if you believe that is what I was doing. You are doing Bernie real proud still_one Oct 2015 #178

Climb down from your cross, S_O. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #179

What does S_O mean. I don't know all the acronyms. Is it "Shout Out"? Not trying to be snark on still_one Oct 2015 #182

I was just shortening "still_one"--being a lazy typist. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #186

thanks. I appreciate it. We may not see eye to eye on some things, but still_one Oct 2015 #187

Have a good night, still_one. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #188

Clinton's 1993 NAFTA Meeting NealK Oct 2015 #147

Well Fuck You, Jack Mirkinson of Salon, I take her at her word. cheapdate Oct 2015 #108

Uh, how'd she learn something new about it? jeff47 Oct 2015 #136

I don't know...maybe she just Googled it cheapdate Oct 2015 #160

Which would only reveal what was known months ago jeff47 Oct 2015 #163

Sure, man. What is she not telling us? That's the Real question, eh? cheapdate Oct 2015 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Oct 2015 #111

MSNBC showed her saying: left-of-center2012 Oct 2015 #131

...+1 840high Oct 2015 #174

Alex Cockburn did this better and his shtick got stale while Bill was still in office. ucrdem Oct 2015 #141

Did he do it as good as the Fox Contributor did in 2008? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #145

alert results irisblue Oct 2015 #190

alert stalkers suck MoveIt Oct 2015 #191

Almost 1 a.m. when it was alerted. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #195

Let her flip flop. Paka Oct 2015 #144

It's obvious to me that most people here katmille Oct 2015 #161

k cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #166

Except Salon reported this. senz Oct 2015 #171

We have a Fox pundit on DU who is a big Clinton supporter these days.. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #193

Yes, you are the Trade Expert brentspeak Oct 2015 #200

NastyRiffraff is Right solar Max Oct 2015 #172

Memo to Salon; No shit, Sherlock Scootaloo Oct 2015 #180

Noncommittal: "I don't believe it's going to meet the high bar I have set." grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #181

Flip Then Maybe Flop colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #183

I wonder what else she'll change her mind about when Bernie's numbers continue to creep up? Lunabell Oct 2015 #184

I like it that she is hedging her bets here--it gives me hope that maybe we can-- eridani Oct 2015 #192

Yup kenfrequed Oct 2015 #219

Hillary has a fan club, they would support her if she took up Ted Cruz's positions on the issues. JRLeft Oct 2015 #221

In other words... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #224