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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: In another thread a poster was castigated for mentioning Clinton's tale of sniper fire at an airport [View all]cheapdate
(3,811 posts)194. Psychological research has established beyond any doubt
that memory modifies events, supplies details that weren't there, etc. It's true with or without trauma.
Call her a "liar" if you want, I can't stop you. But I won't be joining you or anyone else in portraying a leading Democratic candidate as an untrustworthy liar. Not over something as inconsequential as a personal story told on the campaign trail in 2008 about a trip to Bosnia and Herzegovina that took place almost twenty years ago in 1996.
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In another thread a poster was castigated for mentioning Clinton's tale of sniper fire at an airport [View all]
peacebird
Sep 2015
OP
Bernie will simply explain his positions, and explain why it is a good thing
virtualobserver
Sep 2015
#244
But not everyone is gullible enough to believe the lie that he is a "self proclaimed socialist".
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#277
Please, please find the quote where he describes himself a "straight up socialist". I think that is
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#302
In a speech he gave at the National Committee for Independent Political Action...
PosterChild
Sep 2015
#321
I will give you credit for finding that, but you lose credit for cherry picking what he said.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#324
I don't choose my candidates on what the Republicons might think or say. In fact I think those
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#349
Laugh now, but when the Populists throw out the authoritarian idols, you won't be laughing.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#279
I can see why some might feel they have to side with the 1% in this class war. They think
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#300
How about "Which side in the class war is your candidate fighting on? Sen Sanders is on the side of
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#310
So you deny there is a class war? Progressives recognize the class war. Conservatives pretend
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#317
Bernie didn't bring it, he's shining a bright light on what's been happening for decades.
haikugal
Sep 2015
#326
I too am looking forward to them attacking Bernie on the way he wants to HELP us. The IRONY
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#251
The REALITY is that ALL publicity is GOOD publicity. The more the RW attacks Bernie on his POLICIES
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#263
So how exactily will that be different from every other presidential race in the last couple decades
Lordquinton
Sep 2015
#290
That is even better. Which of Bernie's socialist policies will they attack? How will that hurt?
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#313
I owned THAT word years ago. No one tells me I'm wrong when I accuse them of buying
Cleita
Sep 2015
#298
Well, yes.. But they are artfully lit pictures of the the most exquisite delicacies
Fumesucker
Sep 2015
#22
Yes. It was a dangerous place. Yes she LIED saying she ran, under sniper fire. It was a stupid ploy
peacebird
Sep 2015
#9
Theree was no sniper fire, just a child handing her flowers. Video shows Hillary smiling.
peacebird
Sep 2015
#76
IF she actually had ben attacked and THEN her memory was cloudy that would be one thing.
cui bono
Sep 2015
#77
The only way I can remember my anniversary is that it's the day after St. Patricks Day/
Fuddnik
Sep 2015
#140
I hoped beyond hope for Democrats to stand up and say that WMD's in Iraq was a lie. She failed.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#288
Clinton has a "conventional" conception of so-called "American Exceptionalism"
cheapdate
Sep 2015
#307
Good point. It's not her judgement that I don't trust, it's her ideology. nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#308
have you seen the video of what she said, and the video of her actual experience?
virtualobserver
Sep 2015
#61
I have, they show a total disconnect between her words and the actions of the day. She LIED.
peacebird
Sep 2015
#81
It is impossible to draw any other conclusion other than the story being a complete invention
virtualobserver
Sep 2015
#94
I will not be joining you or anyone else in portraying a leading Democratic candidate
cheapdate
Sep 2015
#187
If this makes HRC look like she is not truthful or in touch with reality, it is not made
karynnj
Sep 2015
#124
Good point. She's faced only Obama and Sanders, neither of whom went for the jugular the way that
merrily
Sep 2015
#232
If I said something that was the opposite of the truth, would you agree it was a lie?
peacebird
Sep 2015
#78
We are not talking 'little white lies' here (no honey, you don't look fat). We are talking about
peacebird
Sep 2015
#83
I don't share your concern, I think that Bernie will have long coattails in the election.
peacebird
Sep 2015
#102
You don't give the nuclear football to someone that sometimes "misremembers" to that magnitude
TheKentuckian
Sep 2015
#351
One-sided. How about what Hillary supporters and surrogates try to hammer about Bernie, whom
merrily
Sep 2015
#230
"Without your support" is very different from your affirmative defenses, which you accord Hillary,
merrily
Sep 2015
#240
You've exemplified here a kind of behavior that's always been a feature of DU,
cheapdate
Sep 2015
#261
Nope. You created all your posts. I did not create a one of them. Anyone can search DU
merrily
Sep 2015
#280
Sure, landing in a war zone is nothing special. You've probably done it many times?
cheapdate
Sep 2015
#41
Any one or two of those details I could let slide. The entire fabricated story with the "and that's
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#256
Research published from the 1970s and since, by Gary Wells of Iowa State and many others
cheapdate
Sep 2015
#217
Facts are facts, whether one's memory of those events stays intact or not, though.
Major Hogwash
Sep 2015
#334
Two different people can see the same thing two different ways because of two perspectives.
Major Hogwash
Sep 2015
#337
The GOP doesn't need DUers to carry their water in the context of Hillary's untrustworthy nature.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2015
#169
She wasn't the Secretary of State and Barack Obama wasn't President. This claim was made in 2008.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2015
#142
She didn't make up shit in order to garner votes that would take HER to the Presidency.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2015
#152
Not according to WAPO. I posted upthread a quote that said Tuzla was safe at that time.
merrily
Sep 2015
#276
THANK YOU, this is really much ado about nothing. Americans know what it means to fly into
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#304
Disagree. For one thing, she was citing this as part of her foreign policy cred.
merrily
Sep 2015
#224
If you were greeted by a girl with flowers you might recall a hail of sniper fire? PLEASE child
Vincardog
Sep 2015
#252
If they were that confident in their own candidate, they wouldn't have the need to smear HRC.
leftofcool
Sep 2015
#25
bs my nephew was in bosnia with the danes on a peace keeping force. he was sniped EVERY
roguevalley
Sep 2015
#62
Not if you have native ancestry and it doesn't matter how long ago it was, it still is.
roguevalley
Sep 2015
#67
That is exactly right and she did piss off the Cherokee People over that lie.
leftofcool
Sep 2015
#107
Neither is French Kissing a Pit Bull on live TV. But that doesn't make it OK.
MindfulOne
Sep 2015
#21
You might want to reconsider whether you want to compare the "crimes" of spouses.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#24
Bill's already been to confession (forced)....his sins have been washed clean
virtualobserver
Sep 2015
#50
It's like Ricky Ray Rector and the Sistah Souljah moment never happened.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#54
I suppose Hillary and Jane may need to do some explaining but only one of them
Uncle Joe
Sep 2015
#37
The Clinton Camp is basically trying to pull a "Whitewater" on the Sanders family. Oh the irony.
arcane1
Sep 2015
#159
Right? And her supporters here are jumping on the bandwagon with glee.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#162
"a little birdie whom I speak to on a regular basis is doing some digging and it ain't pretty"
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#48
Oh no. C_D is in touch with O'Keefe or someone similar. We're doomed!
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#57
well, if spouses have to 'explain' then I want to know if the rumors that bill is still
roguevalley
Sep 2015
#71
Well I guess your little birdie can teach the right wing a thing or two, eh?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#96
So spouses of candidates are to be attacked and it's okay? Good, I was not about to bring up
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#274
Aw, still not talking about ISSUES. Btw, I hope that 'little birdie' isnt from the ironically named
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#339
Thank you. I was the castigated poster. I threw it right back at the other poster.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#26
She should never be President... She should be proclaimed QUEEN of the United States.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2015
#163
I read that when it was first posted in 2008 and can't hear of Tuzla since without cracking up
Fumesucker
Sep 2015
#343
This thread is getting too serious. We need some music to lighten things up.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Sep 2015
#135
"Said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case..."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Sep 2015
#207
There is no rule here against "hijacking a thread". That was just bullying by some random DU member.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2015
#170
So Sanders can't win on his issues so his minions resort to character assassination
BlueStateLib
Sep 2015
#182
Meh. Clinton supporters ran off and made a web site just so they can insult us without the threat
Maedhros
Sep 2015
#233