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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Let's Compare Senator Sanders and H. Clinton on some key issues. [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)165. We were attacked.
He voted for the bombing in Kosovo -- a genocide in progress.
Bernie has made very clear that he can support military action when required meaning among other things, when we are attacked and to prevent genocide.
Bernie is not a pacifist.
He is one of the few in Congress who AT THE TIME BEFORE THE WAR asked how we would govern Iraq after we invaded.
Bernie is rational, not emotional, in his foreign policy and national security approach. I agree with Bernie on his votes on national security.
Bernie is serious about trying to find alternatives to war. That is not just a slogan for him.
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Let's Compare Senator Sanders and H. Clinton on some key issues. [View all]
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
OP
True. But relying mainly on your opponents' stupididy is not good strategy n/t
eridani
Sep 2015
#116
If he was a pacifist who swore off all military action, always, they'd try to clobber him with that.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#18
Going in initially & timely to get 911 perps, is not the same as escalating perpetual war
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#168
How do you hold her responsible for her war voteS, plural, and her advocacy for the Iraq War?
merrily
Sep 2015
#184
No, he voted for ONE war. And that objection is a HOOT coming from a supporter of Hillary.
merrily
Sep 2015
#183
I would assume from your posts that you didn't support going into Afghanistan. Am I right?
A Simple Game
Sep 2015
#221
Which would be relevant to the OP if it were part of it, but it's not.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#16
Lets put your insult aside and say the dead in Afghanistan would not see the distinction.
hrmjustin
Sep 2015
#28
Its an insult to say that I know you're smarter than the argument you seem to be putting forth?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#36
Yeah, but I think the IWR is widely recognized to be a far worse call than the Afghanistan vote.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#57
Actually, as good as the FTW shows were, I do think some fundamental flaws in that old proposal
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#122
Oh, please, Neither would civilian dead in any war. There WAS a distinction between
merrily
Sep 2015
#185
Of course he did. He supports American soldiers who were sent on foreign adventures by neocons and
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#186
Perhaps it's not clear to you, but those things that servicemembers get are called ORDERS.
MADem
Sep 2015
#219
The economic benefit that a base offers a region has to do with PERSONNEL and JOBS.
MADem
Sep 2015
#229
Every soldier that goes to a base somewhere in the country is leaving another area of the country.
RichVRichV
Sep 2015
#253
I never said that. My point is Sanders supporters like to glaze over the vote.
hrmjustin
Sep 2015
#76
Are you conflating the invasion of Afghanistan in 2002 with the Afghanistan surge
Admiral Loinpresser
Sep 2015
#134
The minute you see cherry-picking, it makes one suspicious of the veracity and the intent.
MADem
Sep 2015
#220
Yes it is good to take care of veterans, make sure emergency funding got passed for Katrina victims,
think
Sep 2015
#109
Interesting. Hillary did not meniton one of the major reasons that Bernie voted against
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#172
That's ugly. Once troops are put in harm's way, voting against funding is reprehensible.
merrily
Sep 2015
#192
And he loves drones now. Funny how he'll vote to help veterans in HIS state, but screw those
MADem
Sep 2015
#248
You have that wrong. He did not in the Senate. However Hillary Clinton did...
MrMickeysMom
Sep 2015
#106
No, voting to go to war in Afghanistan does not equal supporting war. Typical.
merrily
Sep 2015
#180
OK, but not because of Bernie. Obama's the POTUS who's kept troops there. -nt-
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#38
The problem with Hillary supporters is trying to make Sanders supporter the issue
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#45
He sure is. And he showed good judgement in this vote, as he most typically does
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#151
He thought, like most of us did, that we were going to go in there, get Bin Laden and bring him to
PatrickforO
Sep 2015
#42
Sure he does. But the fact remains that he voted AGAINST three wars and for one. What this tells me
PatrickforO
Sep 2015
#96
Bernie also just proposed a war tax on millionaires... Where does Hillary stand on that?
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#51
He voted against the invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan is totally distinguishable.
merrily
Sep 2015
#177
It is essential that a presidential candidate has an opinion on an issue
Rosa Luxemburg
Sep 2015
#12
It is literally a "Hate Chart" filled with "Crazy Hate Facts"! HDS! HDS! It's an "HDS Chart"! nt
Bonobo
Sep 2015
#15
It makes it rather obvious which one is the most progressive and anti-war.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2015
#44
I think you should research where some of these "ratings" or narratives come from....
George II
Sep 2015
#48
There are two ratings listed, one from NARAL and one from the ACLU. Which do you disagree with?
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#62
I would think it incumbent on the person who posted this to provide background...
George II
Sep 2015
#102
There are many, many threads here that get into detail as to what Sen Sanders
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#110
Once again you are way wrong. There are lots and lots of issue related threads in GD: P.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#157
They are hoping that if they fling enough poo at the wall, some will stick. Anything to avoid
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#203
Actually, he's a candidate who believes social programs like Medicare for All can improve capitalism
merrily
Sep 2015
#196
We get that you don't like capitalism but what do you support? Socialism? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#204
It's my opinion that both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand suffered from a similar dislusion.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#240
Extremely enlightening article - perhaps every Sanders supporter should read it.
George II
Sep 2015
#71
VEry interesting outlook. I don't say you are wrong. But we must do something.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#153
Why? To convince us Sanders is not as far left as his would be detractors claim?
merrily
Sep 2015
#197
sanders first support out loud of marriage equality was 2009. because he was silent, and never
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#145
FALSE. And, even if true, he was better on this issue than Hillary, on this issue and most other
merrily
Sep 2015
#193
no it isnt false. but really, cute. yell false and then, even if true. ha ha
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#223
gay rights. not marriage equality. find one quote from him on marriage equality before 2009. 1 quote
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#231
Full equality is full equality. If it's good enough for gay publications, it's good enough for me.
merrily
Sep 2015
#232
ONE mention of marriage equality before 2009. when you cant find it you might ask yourself why.
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#233
What part of voting against DOMA in 1996 do you not get? What part of full equality do you not get?
merrily
Sep 2015
#234
His votes count but keep pretending they don't, it speaks volumes about what really matters to you.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#237
Because voting against banning same sex marriage PROVES he didn't support marriage equality!!!
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#230
They are. On most issues they agree, and where Bernie is further left, his plans don't stand
DanTex
Sep 2015
#142
LOL. "From the OP chart". Yeah, if you make decisions based on propaganda charts,
DanTex
Sep 2015
#259
Address the facts (the content) not the format, not the source. Her own words, her own votes.
senz
Sep 2015
#260
You claim to care about issues, but then you cite some nonsense chart in order to criticize Hillary.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#261
It's impossible to be ok with Glass-Steagall repeal and still claim to support financial reform.
Ken Burch
Sep 2015
#174
" Climate change is much broader than a carbon tax." Wow is that Clinton's official
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#207
Thank you. You don't how hard it is to get anyone to defend Clinton's support for fracking.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#215
Fracking is destroying billions of gallons of our precious drinking water yet H. Clinton and Chevron
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#256
And yet Hillary folk tell us they are virtually identical on most votes... But she is more electable
peacebird
Sep 2015
#133
I believe it's an authoritarian problem. Many Americans were raised to be good little authoritarians
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#242
DU is full of phonies. "Socialists" for Hillary, Rightwinger "progressives", Drug Warriors named
Romulox
Sep 2015
#251
We know both candidates very well. Clinton hiding isn't going to say her. We
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#252
I only find I disagree with Bernie on Snowden, I can deal with that......
4bucksagallon
Sep 2015
#241