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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Let's Compare Senator Sanders and H. Clinton on some key issues. [View all]99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)9. Bernie's never claimed to be a pacifist. Nope.
Afghanistan was where OBL was hiding out, supposedly; until
Bush told US forces to stand down and let him escape into
Pakistan that is.
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Let's Compare Senator Sanders and H. Clinton on some key issues. [View all]
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
OP
True. But relying mainly on your opponents' stupididy is not good strategy n/t
eridani
Sep 2015
#116
If he was a pacifist who swore off all military action, always, they'd try to clobber him with that.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#18
Going in initially & timely to get 911 perps, is not the same as escalating perpetual war
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#168
How do you hold her responsible for her war voteS, plural, and her advocacy for the Iraq War?
merrily
Sep 2015
#184
No, he voted for ONE war. And that objection is a HOOT coming from a supporter of Hillary.
merrily
Sep 2015
#183
I would assume from your posts that you didn't support going into Afghanistan. Am I right?
A Simple Game
Sep 2015
#221
Which would be relevant to the OP if it were part of it, but it's not.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#16
Lets put your insult aside and say the dead in Afghanistan would not see the distinction.
hrmjustin
Sep 2015
#28
Its an insult to say that I know you're smarter than the argument you seem to be putting forth?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#36
Yeah, but I think the IWR is widely recognized to be a far worse call than the Afghanistan vote.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#57
Actually, as good as the FTW shows were, I do think some fundamental flaws in that old proposal
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#122
Oh, please, Neither would civilian dead in any war. There WAS a distinction between
merrily
Sep 2015
#185
Of course he did. He supports American soldiers who were sent on foreign adventures by neocons and
Ed Suspicious
Sep 2015
#186
Perhaps it's not clear to you, but those things that servicemembers get are called ORDERS.
MADem
Sep 2015
#219
The economic benefit that a base offers a region has to do with PERSONNEL and JOBS.
MADem
Sep 2015
#229
Every soldier that goes to a base somewhere in the country is leaving another area of the country.
RichVRichV
Sep 2015
#253
I never said that. My point is Sanders supporters like to glaze over the vote.
hrmjustin
Sep 2015
#76
Are you conflating the invasion of Afghanistan in 2002 with the Afghanistan surge
Admiral Loinpresser
Sep 2015
#134
The minute you see cherry-picking, it makes one suspicious of the veracity and the intent.
MADem
Sep 2015
#220
Yes it is good to take care of veterans, make sure emergency funding got passed for Katrina victims,
think
Sep 2015
#109
Interesting. Hillary did not meniton one of the major reasons that Bernie voted against
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#172
That's ugly. Once troops are put in harm's way, voting against funding is reprehensible.
merrily
Sep 2015
#192
And he loves drones now. Funny how he'll vote to help veterans in HIS state, but screw those
MADem
Sep 2015
#248
You have that wrong. He did not in the Senate. However Hillary Clinton did...
MrMickeysMom
Sep 2015
#106
No, voting to go to war in Afghanistan does not equal supporting war. Typical.
merrily
Sep 2015
#180
OK, but not because of Bernie. Obama's the POTUS who's kept troops there. -nt-
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#38
The problem with Hillary supporters is trying to make Sanders supporter the issue
99th_Monkey
Sep 2015
#45
He sure is. And he showed good judgement in this vote, as he most typically does
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#151
He thought, like most of us did, that we were going to go in there, get Bin Laden and bring him to
PatrickforO
Sep 2015
#42
Sure he does. But the fact remains that he voted AGAINST three wars and for one. What this tells me
PatrickforO
Sep 2015
#96
Bernie also just proposed a war tax on millionaires... Where does Hillary stand on that?
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#51
He voted against the invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan is totally distinguishable.
merrily
Sep 2015
#177
It is essential that a presidential candidate has an opinion on an issue
Rosa Luxemburg
Sep 2015
#12
It is literally a "Hate Chart" filled with "Crazy Hate Facts"! HDS! HDS! It's an "HDS Chart"! nt
Bonobo
Sep 2015
#15
It makes it rather obvious which one is the most progressive and anti-war.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2015
#44
I think you should research where some of these "ratings" or narratives come from....
George II
Sep 2015
#48
There are two ratings listed, one from NARAL and one from the ACLU. Which do you disagree with?
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#62
I would think it incumbent on the person who posted this to provide background...
George II
Sep 2015
#102
There are many, many threads here that get into detail as to what Sen Sanders
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#110
Once again you are way wrong. There are lots and lots of issue related threads in GD: P.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#157
They are hoping that if they fling enough poo at the wall, some will stick. Anything to avoid
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#203
Actually, he's a candidate who believes social programs like Medicare for All can improve capitalism
merrily
Sep 2015
#196
We get that you don't like capitalism but what do you support? Socialism? nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#204
It's my opinion that both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand suffered from a similar dislusion.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#240
Extremely enlightening article - perhaps every Sanders supporter should read it.
George II
Sep 2015
#71
VEry interesting outlook. I don't say you are wrong. But we must do something.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#153
Why? To convince us Sanders is not as far left as his would be detractors claim?
merrily
Sep 2015
#197
sanders first support out loud of marriage equality was 2009. because he was silent, and never
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#145
FALSE. And, even if true, he was better on this issue than Hillary, on this issue and most other
merrily
Sep 2015
#193
no it isnt false. but really, cute. yell false and then, even if true. ha ha
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#223
gay rights. not marriage equality. find one quote from him on marriage equality before 2009. 1 quote
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#231
Full equality is full equality. If it's good enough for gay publications, it's good enough for me.
merrily
Sep 2015
#232
ONE mention of marriage equality before 2009. when you cant find it you might ask yourself why.
seabeyond
Sep 2015
#233
What part of voting against DOMA in 1996 do you not get? What part of full equality do you not get?
merrily
Sep 2015
#234
His votes count but keep pretending they don't, it speaks volumes about what really matters to you.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#237
Because voting against banning same sex marriage PROVES he didn't support marriage equality!!!
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#230
They are. On most issues they agree, and where Bernie is further left, his plans don't stand
DanTex
Sep 2015
#142
LOL. "From the OP chart". Yeah, if you make decisions based on propaganda charts,
DanTex
Sep 2015
#259
Address the facts (the content) not the format, not the source. Her own words, her own votes.
senz
Sep 2015
#260
You claim to care about issues, but then you cite some nonsense chart in order to criticize Hillary.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#261
It's impossible to be ok with Glass-Steagall repeal and still claim to support financial reform.
Ken Burch
Sep 2015
#174
" Climate change is much broader than a carbon tax." Wow is that Clinton's official
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#207
Thank you. You don't how hard it is to get anyone to defend Clinton's support for fracking.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#215
Fracking is destroying billions of gallons of our precious drinking water yet H. Clinton and Chevron
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#256
And yet Hillary folk tell us they are virtually identical on most votes... But she is more electable
peacebird
Sep 2015
#133
I believe it's an authoritarian problem. Many Americans were raised to be good little authoritarians
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#242
DU is full of phonies. "Socialists" for Hillary, Rightwinger "progressives", Drug Warriors named
Romulox
Sep 2015
#251
We know both candidates very well. Clinton hiding isn't going to say her. We
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#252
I only find I disagree with Bernie on Snowden, I can deal with that......
4bucksagallon
Sep 2015
#241