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Showing Original Post only (View all)Critique of HRC From Bernie Supporters Shouldn't Lead to the Phrase 'You Sound Like A Republican!" [View all]
Critique of Hillary From Bernie Supporters Shouldn't Lead to the Phrase 'You Sound Like A Republican!'
by H. A. Goodman
8/19/2015
....big Snip....
...This divide between Hillary and Bernie camps is growing, and it's still 447 days away from Election Day. Thus far, I've already "unfriended" two people from Facebook, I've succumb to endless Twitter debates, and I've done my best to convince (successfully, I might add) friends and family that Bernie is far better for Democrats and the country than Clinton. However, this battle for the soul of the Democratic Party isn't merely a vapid clash of old regime against progressives tired of Democrats who vote for wars, own personal servers, can't answer simple questions about Keystone XL, and promote unfair trade deals 45 separate times.
No, this liberal infighting isn't only about competing allegiances. It's about values, communication style (one candidate answers questions directly, the other uses semantics as a shield), regulating Wall Street, a debate over Clinton's aggressive foreign policy and Bernie's recent Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the future of the Democratic Party. Will the cold "pragmatism" of Clinton's past become our progressive future, or will the Racial Justice Platform of Bernie Sanders and his willingness to break up the banks emerge as the next era of liberal politics?
Ultimately, the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have two opposing mentalities. Many Clinton voters believe that any critique of Clinton's scandals should be linked to either Benghazi, or a right wing conspiracy to undermine the Clintons. These supporters usually warn others about never criticizing Hillary Clinton, since often times the belief exists that Bernie Sanders can't possibly win a general election, and any critique would only be used against the "eventual" nominee.
...Snip...
Inevitably on the part of Clinton supporters, any honest critique, even from a liberal Democrat, leads to the following rebuttal:
"You sound like a Republican!"
Or, my personal favorite, simply one word that summarizes the viewpoint of many Clinton supporters when presented with a logical critique:
"Benghazi!"
....Snip...According to an article in The Hill titled Clinton probe tests FBI chief, even the FBI must defend itself from accusations of partisanship:....
....Snip...
...Therefore, is it rational to call the FBI a partisan agency intent on ensuring Bernie Sanders wins at the expense of Hillary Clinton?
Is the FBI acting like a Republican?......
Plenty more to read here~
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/critique-of-hillary-from-bernie-supporters-shouldnt-lead-to-the-phrase_b_8007684.html
by H. A. Goodman
8/19/2015
....big Snip....
...This divide between Hillary and Bernie camps is growing, and it's still 447 days away from Election Day. Thus far, I've already "unfriended" two people from Facebook, I've succumb to endless Twitter debates, and I've done my best to convince (successfully, I might add) friends and family that Bernie is far better for Democrats and the country than Clinton. However, this battle for the soul of the Democratic Party isn't merely a vapid clash of old regime against progressives tired of Democrats who vote for wars, own personal servers, can't answer simple questions about Keystone XL, and promote unfair trade deals 45 separate times.
No, this liberal infighting isn't only about competing allegiances. It's about values, communication style (one candidate answers questions directly, the other uses semantics as a shield), regulating Wall Street, a debate over Clinton's aggressive foreign policy and Bernie's recent Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the future of the Democratic Party. Will the cold "pragmatism" of Clinton's past become our progressive future, or will the Racial Justice Platform of Bernie Sanders and his willingness to break up the banks emerge as the next era of liberal politics?
Ultimately, the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have two opposing mentalities. Many Clinton voters believe that any critique of Clinton's scandals should be linked to either Benghazi, or a right wing conspiracy to undermine the Clintons. These supporters usually warn others about never criticizing Hillary Clinton, since often times the belief exists that Bernie Sanders can't possibly win a general election, and any critique would only be used against the "eventual" nominee.
...Snip...
Inevitably on the part of Clinton supporters, any honest critique, even from a liberal Democrat, leads to the following rebuttal:
"You sound like a Republican!"
Or, my personal favorite, simply one word that summarizes the viewpoint of many Clinton supporters when presented with a logical critique:
"Benghazi!"
....Snip...According to an article in The Hill titled Clinton probe tests FBI chief, even the FBI must defend itself from accusations of partisanship:....
....Snip...
...Therefore, is it rational to call the FBI a partisan agency intent on ensuring Bernie Sanders wins at the expense of Hillary Clinton?
Is the FBI acting like a Republican?......
Plenty more to read here~
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/critique-of-hillary-from-bernie-supporters-shouldnt-lead-to-the-phrase_b_8007684.html
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Critique of HRC From Bernie Supporters Shouldn't Lead to the Phrase 'You Sound Like A Republican!" [View all]
RiverLover
Aug 2015
OP
If the OP's are directly linked to RW media talkers and sites....then can we say "you sound like
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#8
No other federal official has EVER conducted all govt business on a private email server stored in
RiverLover
Aug 2015
#17
Nah, I sound like someone is accusing someone of blindly parroting right wing talking points.
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#84
You are late to the game. What other SOS have had 24/7 Secret Service protecting every aspect
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#28
Feel free to point out how they stationed the Secret Service between the server and the Internet.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#36
Don't you hate when you find out that you are spouting Right WingTalking Points
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#49
I hate when we hand facts over to them which can be used as RW talking points.
RiverLover
Aug 2015
#54
" If .... goes down during the run-up to the GE, the country will be truly f*ked."
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#62
OK, so you weren''t as good as you appeared. Sorry for thinking you were something that you were not
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#71
Ignorant and Pathetic! Thanks, that was just the phrase I was looking for to describe your posts.
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#138
Ah, I see where you got the whiny from, must have been an echo in teh room where you are..
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#149
Maybe you forgot the part where I said I wasn't going to argue right wing talking points with you.
Thor_MN
Aug 2015
#155
Zilch on Ben Gazhi, zilch on E-Gazhi, but the hunt is more fun than actually catching the prey!
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#42
It is fair to criticize without knowing what is going on? Essentially that is the basis of the entire argument.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#40
No, you can't, because saying what ANYONE "sounds like" is a way of NOT responding
sibelian
Aug 2015
#63
Hillary Clinton is a bad choice. She should have the logo of every bank she take $ from...
EEO
Aug 2015
#13
I think all of the candidates should wear jerseys with their major sponsors on them.
RiverLover
Aug 2015
#16
Clinton voters already "oathed" themselves to her after the 2008 election
mymomwasright
Aug 2015
#18
I thought we were to supposed to support Hillary in order to help her avenge the
jalan48
Aug 2015
#22
You don't think Hillary felt shame over what happened? Especially the impeachment?
jalan48
Aug 2015
#131
You must have been in grade school in the 1990's. You seem very unware of what took place.
jalan48
Aug 2015
#170
For someone who really isn't "the chosen one with the fix in", her supporters act like she is.....
marble falls
Aug 2015
#23
Funny considering it was the Ron Paul of the left fanatics who called Hillary "Jeb Bush" first.
Amimnoch
Aug 2015
#27
Well, with so much to defend against, there really isn't enough time for a thoughtful response.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#34
This Goodman has written so many negative articles about Hillary and so many positive articles
Metric System
Aug 2015
#46
"Right wing talking point" should not be used as the new form of "Red baiting"
Armstead
Aug 2015
#66
sanders is courting repug, libertarians, teabaggers and populist. they want the right to criticize
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#72
trickle down social justice. and that is very cool, huh? all over the nets now. nt
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#82
talk to sanders about it. he is reaching for working and middle class, ALL parties.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#102
hey dude i say he is courtin... and you called me a liar. now your backpedaling. i was right, you
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#107
you can expand to redefine repug lib tea pop all you want. you just confirm my fact, still calling
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#108
Sanders wants to raise taxes, bigtime. How is that "courting repug, libertarians, teabaggers"???
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#98
He's running to the left of everyone else on the field. That's a simple fact.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#114
you didn't answer my question on what, specifically, constitutes a "libertarian" to you.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#116
rand paul, sittin in the libertain party, advocating libertarian talking points. you know....
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#118
Right, and probably on the NSA, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders are in agreement.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#146
i tried but i found two i like better. i will support him if he wins the primary. for sure.
seabeyond
Aug 2015
#144
you mean like the Iraq War vote, or "Marriage is between a man and a woman"?
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#147
But haven't you heard, we should listen to what the RW nutjobs have to SAY, it is only the
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#88
If you are uncritically citing/quoting Ann Coulter, Newsbusters, Trey Gowdy, Fox News 'personalities
emulatorloo
Aug 2015
#136
Republicans criticize Hillary, therefore, everyone who criticizes Hillary is a Republican.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#148