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Showing Original Post only (View all)No. Hillary Clinton did not call people on welfare, "deadbeats." (edit: internet slooow) [View all]
Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:08 AM - Edit history (1)
Please note: I'm having issues with my internet right now (slow, fast, slow, stalled, etc.). I'll get back to the replies after I straighten things out with my ISP. Sorry. (hoping this posts)Here's a direct link to her article from March 2000. http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/talking-it-over-2000-03-15.html
Here's the link to her series of weekly articles: http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/archive.html?DATE_START=2000-05-01 You can search by month.
Here's where the word "deadbeat" was used:
Tom is a 32-year-old father of two. Although he is required to pay child support, he recently lost his low-paying job, and has fallen behind in his payments.
David, also 32, is divorced with four children. Unlike Tom, David has a good job, but brushes aside his obligation to pay support to his family.
In this country, nearly one in three children grows up without a father, and is five times more likely to live in poverty than a child in a two-parent family. Child support is an important component in helping lift these children out of poverty, and is critical to supporting their healthy development.
As part of the administration's budget proposal, the President has included a major new initiative aimed at helping these children. His plan is tough on "deadbeat" parents like David who can afford to pay; helps "deadbroke" parents like Tom who are struggling to do the right thing; and ensures that more child support money goes directly to families.
<snip>
For parents like Tom who want to meet their obligations to their children, but are unable to afford them, the budget includes a component called Fathers Work/Families Win that will help approximately 40,000 low-income, non-custodial parents (the vast majority of whom are fathers), work, pay child support, and reconnect with their children.
<snip to much more at link>
David, also 32, is divorced with four children. Unlike Tom, David has a good job, but brushes aside his obligation to pay support to his family.
In this country, nearly one in three children grows up without a father, and is five times more likely to live in poverty than a child in a two-parent family. Child support is an important component in helping lift these children out of poverty, and is critical to supporting their healthy development.
As part of the administration's budget proposal, the President has included a major new initiative aimed at helping these children. His plan is tough on "deadbeat" parents like David who can afford to pay; helps "deadbroke" parents like Tom who are struggling to do the right thing; and ensures that more child support money goes directly to families.
<snip>
For parents like Tom who want to meet their obligations to their children, but are unable to afford them, the budget includes a component called Fathers Work/Families Win that will help approximately 40,000 low-income, non-custodial parents (the vast majority of whom are fathers), work, pay child support, and reconnect with their children.
<snip to much more at link>
This was an article about the issue of "deadbeat dads," since rebranded (an now barely reported in the press) as "deadbeat parents." Those parents who can afford to keep their children out of poverty but choose not to do so. It was a big deal on the national stage, once upon a time. Just ask the press.
Here's another direct link to the articles mentioned at buzzfeed: http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/talking-it-over-1998-06-03.html
And a snip:
One day, Rhonda Costa's daughter came home from school and announced, "Mommy, I'm tired of seeing you sitting around the house doing nothing." That's the day Rhonda decided to get off welfare.
<snip>
Felicia Booker, who is blind, needed public assistance after the birth of her first child, but she got "tired of sitting around the house and tired of not having enough money." She enrolled in a six-week training program that led to a position at a computer programming company. Now, she works for A.G. Edwards in St. Louis, Mo., earning $46,000 a year.
Tonya Oden was caring for her three children with the help of public assistance when she heard about a training program at Cessna Aircraft Co.'s 21st Street Subassembly Facility in Wichita, Kan. She enrolled and was the first trainee to become an inspector at the facility, where she now earns $12 an hour.
<snip>
The President's child-care initiative would provide much-needed help for working parents, and he has proposed the funding of vouchers for those who need housing assistance to get or keep their jobs. And we need to find even more private-sector jobs.
<snip to much more at link>
<snip>
Felicia Booker, who is blind, needed public assistance after the birth of her first child, but she got "tired of sitting around the house and tired of not having enough money." She enrolled in a six-week training program that led to a position at a computer programming company. Now, she works for A.G. Edwards in St. Louis, Mo., earning $46,000 a year.
Tonya Oden was caring for her three children with the help of public assistance when she heard about a training program at Cessna Aircraft Co.'s 21st Street Subassembly Facility in Wichita, Kan. She enrolled and was the first trainee to become an inspector at the facility, where she now earns $12 an hour.
<snip>
The President's child-care initiative would provide much-needed help for working parents, and he has proposed the funding of vouchers for those who need housing assistance to get or keep their jobs. And we need to find even more private-sector jobs.
<snip to much more at link>
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No. Hillary Clinton did not call people on welfare, "deadbeats." (edit: internet slooow) [View all]
Cerridwen
Jul 2015
OP
It is true. Here is a link to the article in which she call poor people on welfare 'deadbeats'.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#85
But the article you are showing has no context at all. I will look again but that
AllFieldsRequired
Jul 2015
#88
A 13-year old quote totally taken out of context (if that article is really accurate anyway!)
George II
Jul 2015
#94
Right....she was almost sarcastically quoting someone else. A Costanza type quote.
George II
Jul 2015
#98
Ok, posters who floated that "welfare deadbeat" assertion, how is this post wrong?
SunSeeker
Jul 2015
#3
I now understand the way Hillary used the word "deadbeat," but something still bothers me.
JDPriestly
Jul 2015
#19
I think you put your finger on the issue that troubles me. I don't know where I stand on it.
JDPriestly
Jul 2015
#74
Because the important issue here is not what you or I or the mother wants, but the
JDPriestly
Jul 2015
#81
Yes. But still I question why we are focusing on that "lazy" woman who stays at home.
JDPriestly
Jul 2015
#79
Actually, JD, she did call welfare recipients deadbeats. You can read the 2002
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#44
Because she did say it about those on welfare. The deadbeat dads quote is an
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#43
""deadbeat parents." < Since most work who get these that's just a filthy republican tactic, and any
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#6
I'm not clear on what you're saying. Could you please flesh it out a bit. Thanks. n/t
Cerridwen
Jul 2015
#7
So everyone here on DU who called Joe Walsh a deadbeat dad is a Republican troll?
SunSeeker
Jul 2015
#8
I define a deadbeat as someone who got something they didn't work for. Almost anyone who
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#16
That's very nice however the deadbeats quote was from a 2002 interview not '96'98 or 2000
azurnoir
Jul 2015
#11
There's always been this disturbing tendency among some supporters of 'outsider' candidates to...
wyldwolf
Jul 2015
#12
Actually she did say people on welfare were deadbeats, and not just "dads".
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#15
thanks for the added link however it only covers Talking it over article and for April of 2002 when
azurnoir
Jul 2015
#13
We could go back a few decades and find some pretty ugly things that Bernie Sanders said, you know,
MADem
Jul 2015
#29
She felt the need to pander to the small-government types, so she used "deadbeats."
Maedhros
Jul 2015
#64
Posters who feverishly post hit pieces on Democrats, reveal more about themselves.
oasis
Jul 2015
#22
Except that she was that tactless (link to screen shot of the 2002 article)
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#41
Debunked: People have wrongly claimed Hillary was only referring to "deadbeat dads"
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#42
I see. Republicans, the whole clown car, are perfectly in tune with that language.
delrem
Jul 2015
#69
I realize that Bernie's foreign policy is nearly identical to all the others, D and R.
delrem
Jul 2015
#76
The OP found another, separate context in which Hillary used the word deadbeat.
LiberalAndProud
Jul 2015
#63
So an article about tomatoes in 2000 is identical to an article in 2002 about rocks?
ieoeja
Jul 2015
#68
Here is some better research which proves the OP wrong. Hillary did call poor people deadbeats.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#80