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DonViejo

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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:39 AM Feb 2013

Think Hagel’s bad? Just wait until there’s a Supreme Court opening [View all]


The Hagel battle is actually a dry run for the next justice fight -- and it's clear that the GOP will filibuster

BY JONATHAN BERNSTEIN


Compare that Russian meteor hit earlier this week to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. Got that? Now think about the Chuck Hagel filibuster — and what we can expect if a Supreme Court seat opens up sometime soon.

The Hagel filibuster seems to have fired up interest in Senate procedure, but it’s actually a little difficult to figure out what, if anything, is so unprecedented. The one thing that’s clearly new is that it’s the first time a cabinet nominee has lost a cloture vote. However, it’s certainly not the first time that 60 votes was required for a cabinet post; it’s not the first time that a cabinet nomination was delayed by opposition; and if current reports are correct, it won’t be the first time a cabinet nomination has been defeated by a filibuster. It certainly isn’t the first time a cloture vote has failed on an executive branch pick, or even a high-profile pick.

Some of this is just partisanship. Republicans are making the absurd claim that a 60-vote requirement isn’t a filibuster. Democrats are exaggerating how unprecedented this move is.

Still, the political press, and perhaps even Senate Democrats, seem surprised that Republicans really mean what they’ve been saying ever since Barack Obama was elected about requiring 60 votes to move anything through the Senate. And if there was a Senate norm against filibustering cabinet nominations, Republicans have no intention of honoring it. And that matters because of the other supposed “tradition” that will be tested the first time there’s a Supreme Court opening: No Court selection has been denied by filibuster.

Now, the first problem with that claim is the case of Abe Fortas in 1968. The Senate took a cloture vote, which failed, and Fortas’ name was withdrawn. Senators opposing Fortas, however, claimed that it wasn’t really a filibuster — more or less in exactly the way that Republicans this week denied that the filibuster against Hagel was a “real” filibuster.

more:
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/16/think_hagels_bad_just_wait_until_theres_a_supreme_court_opening/
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Jesus, so freaking depressing NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #1
the system is already broken... Demeter Feb 2013 #13
true-- I just meant that like the government may completely lose the ability to function at all NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #21
When it stops working for the top 10% Demeter Feb 2013 #25
I don't really care. Hagel is a republican. eilen Feb 2013 #2
I'm with you on all of that, except I can not feel sorry for Hagel getting served that which he Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #3
The Republicans will pitch a fit over anybody President Obama nominates Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #4
McCain attacked Hagel disndat Feb 2013 #7
Abstractly, it had to be a bitter pill-- for anyone, I guess as a human... eilen Feb 2013 #8
Didn't Hillary and John Kerry initially support the Iraq War? Zambero Feb 2013 #17
+1 forestpath Feb 2013 #18
Hagel is a veteran first. a republican second pasto76 Feb 2013 #9
This is a very well worded and spot on take Mira Feb 2013 #11
Preferably someone Jewish so that the Republicans can't play to their JDPriestly Feb 2013 #15
Like that would stop them? NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #26
Chuck Schumer was on the expanded PNAC list--he's all pro-Israel hawk. Hagel had to TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #28
Republicans are hoping to make an example out of Hagel Zambero Feb 2013 #16
I would like to see the President nominate 5 women at the same time. It would keep the DhhD Feb 2013 #5
The President would have the final say on the nominee. DhhD Feb 2013 #6
Exactly - get a spine, Reid dbackjon Feb 2013 #10
If I understand sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #12
..and it will be exponentially worse if the justice being replaced is Scalia OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #14
If it is Scalia I'll wet my pants davidpdx Feb 2013 #19
The bottom line is that we need to continue to make the SCOTUS more diverse OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #22
Someone with that background would be great davidpdx Feb 2013 #24
Scalia is too partisan to step down with a Democrat in office NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #27
Yes and that is what I'm counting on davidpdx Feb 2013 #29
It will be scary Cosmocat Feb 2013 #20
ESPECIALLY if it's to replace a conservative or the 'swing' Kennedy... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #23
FILIBUSTER IS BROKE ..... FIX IT NOW trueblue2007 Feb 2013 #30
I think any liberal one should retire before Obama marlakay Feb 2013 #31
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