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Mutatis Mutandis

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10. yes, bombing the shit out of people in a gutless manner always makes the bombers safer
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:54 PM
Feb 2013

The actual result is a quaint little thing called BLOWBACK. I strongly suggest you study up on it.

http://www.iwallerstein.com/blowback-impossible-dilemmas-declining-powers/

Immanuel Wallerstein » Commentaries » Blowback, or Impossible Dilemmas of Declining Powers

Blowback is a term coined by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that originally meant the unintended negative consequences to a country of its own espionage operations. For example, if a secret CIA operation led to a revenge attack on U.S. individuals who were unaware of the CIA’s operation, this was considered “blowback.” But these days, many of the operations are not all that secret (for example, the U.S. use of drones in Pakistan or Yemen). And the “revenge” attacks are often publicly avowed. Nevertheless, countries don’t seem to cease engaging in such operations.

We need a more useful definition of blowback to explain how and why it’s occurring all over the place. I think the first element is that the countries engaging in such operations today are powerful, yes, but less powerful than they used to be. When they were at the acme of their power, they could ignore blowback as minor unintended consequences. But when they are less powerful than before, the consequences are not so minor, yet they seem to feel the need to pursue the operations even more vigorously and even more openly.

Let us look at two famous instances of blowback. One concerns the United States. In the 1980s, the United States wished to push the Soviet Union’s military forces out of Afghanistan. They therefore supported the mujahidin. One of the most famous leaders of the groups they supported was Osama bin Laden. Once the Soviet troops withdrew, Osama bin Laden created Al-Qaeda and began to attack the United States.

A second famous instance concerns Israel. In the 1970s, Israel regarded Yasser Arafat and the PLO as its principal opponent. Seeking to weaken the strength of the PLO among Palestinians, they gave financial aid to the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, known as Hamas. As Hamas grew, it did weaken the PLO somewhat. But at a certain point, Hamas became an even more vehement and effective opponent of the Israeli state than had been the PLO. Today, everyone knows these instances. Others involving Great Britain and France could be cited as well. Nor does this end the list of blowback countries. Why then do they continue to behave in ways that seem to undermine their own objectives? They do this precisely because their power is declining.

We need to look at it as a matter of temporalities in state policy. Blowback occurs when the declining power engages in behavior that, in the short run, achieves some immediate objective but, in the middle run, makes their power decline even more and even faster, and therefore in the longer run is self-defeating. The obvious thing to do is not to go down this road any more. The covert operations no longer really work in terms of the long-run objectives of the country. To stick with my examples: Don’t President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu understand this? And if they do, why are they continuing the operations, even boasting about them? Actually, I think that both these men do understand the ineffectiveness of these operations, and so do their intelligence agencies. But they face immediate dilemmas.

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Blowback

Chalmers Johnson

September 27, 2001


http://www.thenation.com/article/blowback#

For Americans who can bear to think about it, those tragic pictures from New York of women holding up photos of their husbands, sons and daughters and asking if anyone knows anything about them look familiar. They are similar to scenes we have seen from Buenos Aires and Santiago. There, too, starting in the 1970s, women held up photos of their loved ones, asking for information. Since it was far too dangerous then to say aloud what they thought had happened to them--that they had been tortured and murdered by US-backed military juntas--the women coined a new word for them, los desaparecidos--"the disappeareds." Our government has never been honest about its own role in the 1973 overthrow of the elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile or its backing, through "Operation Condor," of what the State Department has recently called "extrajudicial killings" in Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil and elsewhere in Latin America. But we now have several thousand of our own disappeareds, and we are badly mistaken if we think that we in the United States are entirely blameless for what happened to them.

The suicidal assassins of September 11, 2001, did not "attack America," as our political leaders and the news media like to maintain; they attacked American foreign policy. Employing the strategy of the weak, they killed innocent bystanders who then became enemies only because they had already become victims. Terrorism by definition strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The United States deploys such overwhelming military force globally that for its militarized opponents only an "asymmetric strategy," in the jargon of the Pentagon, has any chance of success. When it does succeed, as it did spectacularly on September 11, it renders our massive military machine worthless: The terrorists offer it no targets. On the day of the disaster, President George W. Bush told the American people that we were attacked because we are "a beacon for freedom" and because the attackers were "evil." In his address to Congress on September 20, he said, "This is civilization's fight." This attempt to define difficult-to-grasp events as only a conflict over abstract values--as a "clash of civilizations," in current post-cold war American jargon--is not only disingenuous but also a way of evading responsibility for the "blowback" that America's imperial projects have generated.

"Blowback" is a CIA term first used in March 1954 in a recently declassified report on the 1953 operation to overthrow the government of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran. It is a metaphor for the unintended consequences of the US government's international activities that have been kept secret from the American people. The CIA's fears that there might ultimately be some blowback from its egregious interference in the affairs of Iran were well founded. Installing the Shah in power brought twenty-five years of tyranny and repression to the Iranian people and elicited the Ayatollah Khomeini's revolution. The staff of the American embassy in Teheran was held hostage for more than a year. This misguided "covert operation" of the US government helped convince many capable people throughout the Islamic world that the United States was an implacable enemy.

The pattern has become all too familiar. Osama bin Laden, the leading suspect as mastermind behind the carnage of September 11, is no more (or less) "evil" than his fellow creations of our CIA: Manuel Noriega, former commander of the Panama Defense Forces until George Bush père in late 1989 invaded his country and kidnapped him, or Iraq's Saddam Hussein, whom we armed and backed so long as he was at war with Khomeini's Iran and whose people we have bombed and starved for a decade in an incompetent effort to get rid of him. These men were once listed as "assets" of our clandestine services organization.

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The sensors are not good enough Kolesar Feb 2013 #1
So your only issue is target accuracy? thesquanderer Feb 2013 #12
So Obama cuts the Defense budget in half and uses the money for infrastructure and education. Vincardog Feb 2013 #2
What about the question I raised.....? busterbrown Feb 2013 #4
You are afraid of a collusion between Corporations and Government and you support Drones? Vincardog Feb 2013 #5
I don’t support drones...................................... busterbrown Feb 2013 #7
This is a major bogus argument in that you forget one thing- graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
If you think this is the best way to protect ourselves ..... daleanime Feb 2013 #36
so Obama keeps the drone program Enrique Feb 2013 #3
His first concern was for Obama's POLITICAL well-being. n/t NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #38
But the DUers who hate him would still have their ideological purity. Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #6
as their kids are forcibly drafted.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #8
All the response your strawman needs. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #9
No more of a strawman than others I've seen on DU Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #33
The difference is: Those people are arguing that the govt... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #41
In the real world I do not believe that will happen Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #43
yes, bombing the shit out of people in a gutless manner always makes the bombers safer Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #10
As opposed to bombing them in a heroic manner Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #34
no Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #42
I suggest that you answer my question... busterbrown Feb 2013 #11
My Senator has many questions. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #13
Thx 4 UR concern, buster. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #14
Constitution?! Don't need no stinkin' Constitution! blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #15
Other Ways to Capture Terrorists erpowers Feb 2013 #16
I will reiterate what I am not getting through.. busterbrown Feb 2013 #17
My Point erpowers Feb 2013 #31
Drone attacks send a horrible message to the world about who we are and what we stand for. busterbrown Feb 2013 #32
special forces could get killed treestar Feb 2013 #22
January 21, 2017. The first order by the new republican president is an escalation of drone attacks. rug Feb 2013 #18
No, his first order will be an all out economic embargo on Iran. Then North Korea..... busterbrown Feb 2013 #19
And then when the drones are escalated? rug Feb 2013 #20
And the same posters would be wailing about him treestar Feb 2013 #21
Oh yes.. they "voted for him twice Cha Feb 2013 #23
"I voted for Jill Stein"=I don't want to make a difference so I'll selfishly enable Republicans. great white snark Feb 2013 #29
Yeah, the fictional "base" they're Cha Feb 2013 #39
All Presidents after JFK have been afraid to stand up to the military-industrial complex TroyD Feb 2013 #24
I agree, the Pentagon holds the POTUS hostage just like the police captain of small cities and towns busterbrown Feb 2013 #25
that isn't the issue... dtom67 Feb 2013 #27
Okay, let's consider this from your perspective then... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #28
+1 rusty fender Feb 2013 #30
Political games, My ass.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #37
What Demo_Chris said Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #40
our american police departments/states get to keep the drug money,real estate,cars jewelry. Sunlei Feb 2013 #35
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