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5. I've studied the recess appointment issue for a long time: my analysis
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)

I first was involved in providing legal guidance on the meaning and application of the recess clause more than 30 years ago and have followed those issues fairly closely thereafter. The short answer to your question is that there haven't been very many cases that challenged recess appointments. The DC circuit decision was not so much "sudden" as "different."

I only know of one bush recess appointment that was challenged in court -- judge pryor's appointment to the 11th circuit. The appointment was challenged in the 11th circuit and was upheld by that court. Which means there is a split in the circuits on interpreting the recess appointments clause, which means that the Supreme Court is nearly certain to review the DC Circuit decision. Plus, there were other challenges to NLRB decisions made by the recess appointees brought in other parts of the country that haven't been decided. Those cases are not bound by the decision in the DC Circuit. They could reach the same conclusion or an opposite conclusion.

This isn't over. However, my best guess as to the outcome in the supremes is that (1) the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 vote reverses the DC court's decision that a recess appointment can only be made to fill a vacancy that was first created after the recess began but (2) by a 5-4 vote upholds the DC circuit's decision that recess appointments can only be made during "intersession" recesses. That would still be a dramatic departure with decades of practice in which it was generally believed that recess appointments made during any adjournment of more than 3 days, whether between sessions or "intrasession," was valid. But upholding the DC Circuit on this issue would allow the SCOTUS to avoid having to decide the status of "pro forma" sessions.

If the SCOTUS doesn't uphold the second half of the DC circuit's decision, it will have to decide what constitutes a "recess" -- is there a minimum length of time that the Senate must not be in session and, if so, does the calling of pro forma sessions "restart" the clock each time? That's a hard one for the SCOTUS to decide since it more directly injects them in to the business of Congress. For example, the reason that the Senate was calling pro forma sessions rather than recess for more than three days is that the Constitution doesn't allow either house to adjourn for more than three days during a session of Congress without the consent of the other and the republican controlled house had made it clear it would not consent to the Senate adjourning for more than three days. In addition, neither party has "clean hands" in this fight: it was our side that started the practice of using pro forma sessions to block bush from making recess appointments (as was openly acknowledged by our side at the time).

Eventually we will know the result. But its hard to predict with certainty the outcome. My guess is that, one way or another, the result of the DC Circuit's ruling -- that the NLRB and Cordray appointments were invalid, is upheld by a 5-4 vote.

Because The Senate was not adjourned and wasn't in an official recess, they were holding ... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #1
Your best answer John2 Jan 2013 #4
they went very far here and pretty much evicorated recess appointments dsc Jan 2013 #7
The challenge that could be made for vacancies only occuring only during a recess LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #8
An interesting article on the link below Tx4obama Jan 2013 #9
Here's a link below from the Legal Times website Tx4obama Jan 2013 #2
Because Ralph Nader was in cahoots with Repubs and W in 2000. Judges show Bush/Gore not the same graham4anything Jan 2013 #3
I've studied the recess appointment issue for a long time: my analysis onenote Jan 2013 #5
Thanks a lot.......Seems to me that this court by 2 to 1 is not interested in redefining recess busterbrown Jan 2013 #6
The political question doctrine is pretty fucking clear Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #11
If its so clear how come its never been treated as a political question? onenote Jan 2013 #12
I suppose the NLRB and the DOJ's attorneys should've listened to this guy, then Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #14
Also, read the 11th Circuit's decision on this matter in Evans vs Stephens Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #16
It is cited only with respect to one narrow argument onenote Jan 2013 #18
They completely ignored the political question doctrine Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Jan 2013 #13
The political question doctrine pretains to disputes between the President and Congress Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #15
Unfortunately the issues decided by the court are not political questions onenote Jan 2013 #17
I respect your opinion, but here's my bottom line... Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #19
We'll have to agree to disagree on whether DC Circuit departed from applicable precedent onenote Jan 2013 #20
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