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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:34 AM Dec 2012

About "the" chained Consumer Price Index ... [View all]

Everyone is all hair on fire about the mere mention of a Chained CPI, as a concession in the "cliff" negotiations, as it would have the elderly eating catfood. Not knowing a lot about Chained CPIs, I let google, and the media, be my friend.

What I found was that the Chained CPI that everyone is talking about would cost the typical beneficiary about -2.6% per year under what the current CPI model provides. That comes to about $126/month ($1,500/year) in Cost of Living increases after 20 years. (Source: David Cay Johnson; TRMS, 12/18/2012) It

But what I, also, found was that there are several "Chained CPI" models, including a "Chained CPI-E" that is specifically designed to apply to the elderly. (http://www.annuitydigest.com/cpi-e/definition) According to DCJ, this model would actually increase the cost of living adjustments for its beneficiaries by $158/month (after 20 years) over what the current CPI model provides.

If I, now, know this, having spent about 40 seconds on the google and listening to a 5 minute interview ... don't you think the Democratic negotiators might also know this? Especially after thinking about what Pelosi actually said about the Chained CPI "Concession"?

"The details of this are not all ironed out, but they all mitigate for helping the poorest and neediest in our society, whether they're Supplemental Security Income recipients, whether they're 80 and older or whether they're truly needy in-between," said Pelosi, adding it was "worth making a compromise" to avoid going over the fiscal cliff.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/nancy-pelosi-fiscal-cliff_n_2324042.html
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There's nothing inherent in chaining itself that requires a cut Recursion Dec 2012 #1
By the nature of supply and demand, chained indices will go up slower than non-chained muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #23
We have the usual problem of people not knowing alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #2
There you go again, uncovering facts.... mac56 Dec 2012 #3
So you think major oil companies, marew Dec 2012 #4
You're bumping your head on the reactionary floor, again ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #5
The people who keep rationalizing this, to defend Obama I guess, cui bono Dec 2012 #43
+1 Does that mean we can now focus on the positive aspects of the rumored "deal?" Hoyt Dec 2012 #6
+1,000,000 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #12
+KABILLION! savalez Dec 2012 #45
The older seniors get the bigger a hit it will be on them. That is unconscionable. forestpath Dec 2012 #7
The rumored "deal" says there are protections for those at lower end of SS scale. Hoyt Dec 2012 #11
I don't believe in setting one group in need against other groups in need. forestpath Dec 2012 #14
I don't feel that way, and choose the to look at big picture. Wish us both luck. Hoyt Dec 2012 #22
And you base the latter belief on ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #24
That does not make it okay. cui bono Dec 2012 #44
Did you even read the OP?!? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #13
Yes. Your model does not apply. forestpath Dec 2012 #16
Why not? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #21
OMG, someone who actually went out and informed himself before delivering judgement! Imagine that!! patrice Dec 2012 #8
So when the President says he's a huge Christian with issues about equality for gays Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #9
And the ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #15
2013 increase from COLA for average Social Security beneficiary is about $21. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #10
READ the OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #18
This is amazing! Thanks for finding this. DCJ was on the networks the other day taking the Prez to Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #17
Presumably ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #19
Thank you for researching the facts. Sunlei Dec 2012 #20
Much ado about virtually nothing, but there's no reasoning with the all-or-nothing extremists nt Cognitive_Resonance Dec 2012 #25
Per 'The Annuity' femrap Dec 2012 #26
Okay. Point by point ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #30
I'll take the Cliff.... femrap Dec 2012 #34
It's not a "speed bump" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #38
In reading many of the objections to ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #27
But the CPI-E currently calculated is not chained muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #28
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31
It's not chained muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #33
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #37
Oh, so Carney misspoke when he said chained CPI is less "generous"? djean111 Dec 2012 #29
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #32
Aw man! You took the Purists' latest toy away! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #35
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #40
Unfortunately, BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #41
Yup n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #42
K & R for thoughtful non-hysteria. byronius Dec 2012 #36
If it's going to give people more money instead of less, it's not a spending cut. gkhouston Dec 2012 #39
Those Ninnies running around here won't even look at the rational argument you've made. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #46
It's hard to think ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #48
We shouldn't be talking about social security AT ALL. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #47
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