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MFM008

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4. 1980 was the beginning of a disaster were still paying for

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Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:43 AM

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In 1980, did Ted Kennedy endorse Jimmy Carter? [View all] Eric J in MN Jul 2016 OP

He "snubbed" him. Not his finest hour. Ted Kennedy was an utter mess during that timeframe. MADem Jul 2016 #1

It's always strange that I never see such criticism directed against Bobby Kennedy's run in '68. N/T Chathamization Jul 2016 #9

His assassination might have something to do with that ,and sufrommich Jul 2016 #14

Probably true; people's opinions on primary challenges are more influenced by the events surrounding Chathamization Jul 2016 #18

Bobby Kennedy wasn't really primarying an incumbent. SheilaT Jul 2016 #27

That makes no sense, though--what incumbent was running in 1968? MADem Jul 2016 #43

LBJ Did NOT drop out until two weeks after RFK entered the race. John Poet Jul 2016 #45

See post 52. LBJ's staff knew in Dec 1967 that he'd had enough--RFK didn't announce until Mar 68. MADem Jul 2016 #53

LBJ dropped out after RFK entered, and it was considered a surprise. One of the reasons why LBJ Chathamization Jul 2016 #50

LBJ had terrible heart disease. That may have been the icing on the cake, but he had MADem Jul 2016 #52

Do you have any evidence that RFK knew LBJ was going out? I've never seen anyone claim that, and it Chathamization Jul 2016 #54

DC is a small town and people have always talked. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. RFK MADem Jul 2016 #58

Your only evidence is "DC is a small town"? Even LBJ's chief of staff didn't know Chathamization Jul 2016 #60

We can go round in circles all day, but he did not have the MATH MADem Jul 2016 #65

It's not circles; the facts are that RFK was running against an incumbent when he entered the race Chathamization Jul 2016 #66

He was running against an incumbent who was on his way out the door. MADem Jul 2016 #70

Even Johnson's chief of staff didn't know if Johnson was going to leave the race, and that was 2 Chathamization Jul 2016 #73

My point, again, is that people TALK. His COS and everyone else in the room, perhaps "The Butler," MADem Jul 2016 #75

Again, do you have any evidence of this? The people closest to him didn't know one way or another, Chathamization Jul 2016 #80

My "evidence" is my understanding of how things work in that town. I realize you want a MADem Jul 2016 #86

Do you know of any historian or person connected to either man that thought RFK knew? Chathamization Jul 2016 #89

More than one thing can be true--he certainly was "opposed" to LBJ (despised him, in fact) and MADem Jul 2016 #91

Again, both LBJ and RFK seemed to view RFK's entry as being against LBJ Chathamization Jul 2016 #95

Well, this is a very interesting conversation, Hortensis Jul 2016 #107

RFK had to first best McCarthy, and he was whipping him but good, especially MADem Jul 2016 #113

McCarthy's strong showing in New Hampshire had something to do with his dropping out nt dflprincess Jul 2016 #78

Eugene McCarthy was already in the race when RFK entered it dflprincess Jul 2016 #77

True, but I'm not sure what you're point is. It's OK to primary an incumbent if someone is already Chathamization Jul 2016 #81

Actually I think it's okay for anyone to challenge an incumbent dflprincess Jul 2016 #83

Oh, I meant contemporary criticism from the "it's terrible to run against a sitting president"-crowd Chathamization Jul 2016 #84

Sorry, misunderstood your comment. dflprincess Jul 2016 #109

Brings back memories Frances Jul 2016 #101

Bobby was not running against a sitting party President. apples vs oranges nt TeamPooka Jul 2016 #105

The situation had nothing in common with 1980. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #110

Well... Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #112

Where has it EVER been documented that Ted Kennedy EVER used cocaine? John Poet Jul 2016 #46

One of his former aides wrote an entire book about it. The book took a small truth, that TK used MADem Jul 2016 #57

I think it is odd that he ran when he had such tremendous baggage loyalsister Jul 2016 #61

That is what can happen to people with addiction issues, some times. MADem Jul 2016 #63

Sure loyalsister Jul 2016 #64

Edwards, from what I understand, has gone back into private law practice with his daughter. MADem Jul 2016 #72

I find it interesting lancer78 Jul 2016 #87

Politics is a curious business--and everything old is new again, I guess.... nt MADem Jul 2016 #93

I've been listening the audio version of Jimmy Carter's autobiography "A Full Life," Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #2

How did 1980 turn out? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3

Results had nothing to do with Kennedy's challenge. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #69

1980 was the beginning of a disaster were still paying for MFM008 Jul 2016 #4

Ding, ding, ding! Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #55

yup, 3rd worst president ever. 1st was Hoover, 2nd was Bush Jr. - all Republicans TeamPooka Jul 2016 #106

kennedy's action in 1980 to me, forever tarnished the kennedy name. I never gave beachbum bob Jul 2016 #5

Agreed, I always thought Teddy was completely comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #97

It wouldn't have made a difference. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #6

I agree Va Lefty Jul 2016 #7

Kennedy was pushed awful hard by a large number of Democratic officeholders John Poet Jul 2016 #49

Jimmy Carter's complete inability to compromise his principles Lyric Jul 2016 #8

My side DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #13

This is a very fair point you are making--it is sometimes a difficult one to make, because MADem Jul 2016 #74

Carter was most likely the wrong president at the wrong time,however sufrommich Jul 2016 #11

It was... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #15

But Carter didn't betray Democratic principles. sufrommich Jul 2016 #17

And those dreadful interest rates predated Carter by a good deal. MADem Jul 2016 #51

I had a friend who worked on George Pataki's staff... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #56

There was also the USSR invasion of BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #59

1. Sanders is no Ted Kennedy. 2. How did that all work out? EffieBlack Jul 2016 #10

Primarying Carter was a huge mistake. Adrahil Jul 2016 #12

While it certainly didn't help, and was disgraceful of Kennedy, it was the Iran Hostage still_one Jul 2016 #31

I don't disgree, but.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #38

no question about that, reagan was a disaster for labor and most everything else still_one Jul 2016 #40

Kennedy was right. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #71

I don't think Kennedy was to blame, necessarily... Adrahil Jul 2016 #99

And who won that year? MohRokTah Jul 2016 #16

Way to NOT make a good argument MaggieD Jul 2016 #19

What I'd like to happen Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #20

He lost MaggieD Jul 2016 #21

Sanders shouldn't get his entire platform. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #25

You need to brush up on what a party platform is MaggieD Jul 2016 #26

I realize that there are two issues, HRC's campaign platform and the Democratic Party Platform. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #29

And he shouldn't - he lost MaggieD Jul 2016 #33

If HRC doesn't compromise, and Sanders doesn't endorse, and we get President Trump Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #35

Most Sanders supporters have already moved on. At this point it sufrommich Jul 2016 #36

WRONG. Do some more reading outside of DU. unless you call less than half leeroysphitz Jul 2016 #41

I would never limit myself to reading only DU for info,that would sufrommich Jul 2016 #47

I do and agree with you. Leave 840high Jul 2016 #82

But why should he? /nt romana Jul 2016 #37

The platform romana Jul 2016 #30

I was unclear. I was referring to HRC's public position with regard to tuition Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #32

Cinton voters were SPECIFICALLY voting AGAINST Sanders policy and platform proposals. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #22

I agree that if Sanders doesn't endorse, fine for HRC to not schedule a Sanders convention speech NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #23

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #24

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #34

So we were winning SheenaR Jul 2016 #44

Kennedy ran that year because he considered Carter ineffectual and too conservative andym Jul 2016 #39

K&R SheenaR Jul 2016 #42

You want to use 1980 as an example?... SidDithers Jul 2016 #48

Yes, he ultimately did and they even campaigned together. book_worm Jul 2016 #62

Where did they campaign together? NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #94

Here are some examples: book_worm Jul 2016 #108

Thanks. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #111

kennedy was wrong but i also don't tHink Sanders is as influential as kennedy JI7 Jul 2016 #67

Remember this???? hollowdweller Jul 2016 #68

I worked on the Kennedy campaign and that go a a paid job on the Carter campaign Onlooker Jul 2016 #76

Those may have been the same two kids I saw tossed out of a rather exclusive private club MADem Jul 2016 #79

Senator Kennedy's challenge of President Carter for the nomination... PJMcK Jul 2016 #85

Is there some veiled threat in bringing up this story? robbedvoter Jul 2016 #88

this hurt america more than can ever be known SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #90

For historical interest, here is an article on Kennedy in 1979 pondering entering the race andym Jul 2016 #92

In 1980 did Jimmy Carter win the General Election? George II Jul 2016 #96

Who cares. It's irrelevant to now. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #98

Kennedy primaried a sitting President in his own party. liberalnarb Jul 2016 #100

And Reagan won Frances Jul 2016 #102

How did that turn out? Zynx Jul 2016 #103

My idea involves just one policy clarification. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #104