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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary 2016: How she transformed Democrats into “new” Republicans [View all]
Octafish
(55,745 posts)71. Rhetoric is the art of persuasive speaking.
You might enjoy "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainance: An Inquiry into Values" by Robert M. Pirsig.
“As a result of his experiments he concluded that imitation was a real evil that had to be broken before real rhetoric teaching could begin. This imitation seemed to be an external compulsion. Little children didn’t have it. It seemed to come later on, possibly as a result of school itself.
That sounded right, and the more he thought about it the more right it sounded. Schools teach you to imitate. If you don’t imitate what the teacher wants you get a bad grade. Here, in college, it was more sophisticated, of course; you were supposed to imitate the teacher in such a way as to convince the teacher you were not imitating, but taking the essence of the instruction and going ahead with it on your own. That got you A’s. Originality on the other hand could get you anything – from A to F. The whole grading system cautioned against it.”
SOURCE: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/564269-as-a-result-of-his-experiments-he-concluded-that-imitation
Propaganda, now, is something else.
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Hillary 2016: How she transformed Democrats into “new” Republicans [View all]
NorthCarolina
Jun 2016
OP
Of course not. Why would I? It was written to get clicks from sad Bernie supporters. nt
BootinUp
Jun 2016
#43
OMFG...and DUers, desperate to demolish the Dem nominee, buy this shit and propogate it's message
Sheepshank
Jun 2016
#69
Like Elena Kagan? Friend of Tony Scalia? Sides with Karl Rove over Don Siegelman?
Octafish
Jun 2016
#59
The ridiculous assertion by so called purists, requires that public officials live in a bubble
Sheepshank
Jun 2016
#72
PR bailout plan will pay Wall Street and make Puerto Rico live in utter austerity.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#169
Claiming that Democrats and Republicans are the same is the essence of Naderite "thought." -nt-
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#98
The OP's article specifically says that the Democratic Party has become the Republican Party.
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#120
You said it all right. You just disingenuously phrased it as a sort of question, sort of quote...
Hekate
Jun 2016
#124
No, it's what I asked stevenleser, then I got ''answers'' from you, Lord Magus, Sheepshank...
Octafish
Jun 2016
#145
Nope, nonsense is nonsense. No melodramatics from Hillary haters will change that. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#134
No, no, no. There's no election manipulation going on. Just "clerical errors" or so I was told ...
Scuba
Jun 2016
#3
And they're one of the dumber sites for actually paying for HA Garbageman's content.
BobbyDrake
Jun 2016
#19
That "tiny angry minority of angry far leftists" are not really so tiny.........
socialist_n_TN
Jun 2016
#87
You are free to go elsewhere with that retrograde, conservative enabling and assimilating
TheKentuckian
Jun 2016
#110
Conservative crap is allowed on DU now as long as it's not directed at a Clinton.
arcane1
Jun 2016
#141
I see threads from Sanders supporters who claim that Hillary supporters are ungracious winners.
Trust Buster
Jun 2016
#12
Deflection. This thread calls Hillary and her supporters Republicans. How is this acceptable ?
Trust Buster
Jun 2016
#23
This OP refers to Hillary and her supporters as Republicans. This is wrong. We don't need a
Trust Buster
Jun 2016
#27
No, it doesn't. The article shows Hillary's candidacy transforming the Democratic Party rightward.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#38
Hillary Clinton supporters appear "scorched earth" regards other good Democrats
PufPuf23
Jun 2016
#66
You're just like those Republicans who call modern Democrats "the real racists" because of the 50s.
BobbyDrake
Jun 2016
#17
What do you think about New Dem economics that help the RICH first and foremost?
Octafish
Jun 2016
#42
The Democratic Party that brought Social Security, which the Republicans fought?
valerief
Jun 2016
#73
Of course republicans of that era voted more for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats did.
pampango
Jun 2016
#31
Conservative Southerners used to be Democrats. Many Northern republicans were liberal.
pampango
Jun 2016
#112
Salon's garbage. Her platform is the most progressive for a nom possibly ever. That's not enough?
CrowCityDem
Jun 2016
#15
Whew. Never saw such communicable blindness. Most progressive?! There are no words.
JudyM
Jun 2016
#80
Her platform is slightly left of Obama, which was slightly left of Clinton. So yes.
CrowCityDem
Jun 2016
#95
To the right? She's continuing Obama's policies. Remember, he was President for Syria, Libya, etc.
CrowCityDem
Jun 2016
#156
This post and the responses to it, illustrate the giant rift in the party.
Juicy_Bellows
Jun 2016
#51
Agree. In fact this election the largest unrepresented bloc of voters.......
socialist_n_TN
Jun 2016
#92
the real danger is that this leaves a party experienced in defeating only one sort of foe: Dems
MisterP
Jun 2016
#116
move over Ann Coulter. Never have I read such tendentious, non-sequitur fucking bullshit and lies
Bill USA
Jun 2016
#149
