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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
131. Seeing how you don't show where I'm wrong, you bother me.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jun 2016

Especially the smears of racist and anti-Semite. Here's something you must have missed, and you're welcome to check for accuracy:

Know your BFEE or "Hey, America! Wake Up and Smell the Sulfur!"

Few today remember a most heinous terrorist act: The assassinations of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and American Ronnie Karpen Moffit.



Ms. Moffit was an American citizen murdered by agents of a foreign government on U.S. soil. Her only crime was being with Orlando Letelier, whose crime was to speak out against the military coup that toppled the democratically elected Chilean government he served. Because he refused to turn over the Chilean secret police and their American contacts, these assassinations were allowed, if not sanctioned, by George Bush, then director of central intelligence and head of the CIA.

As with all things having to do with the BFEE, the world get worse. So, a reminder:

October will mark the 30th anniversary of another most heinous terrorist act: The bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers and crew. The pilots reported the blast caused their aircraft to catch fire and they were burning up as they attempted an emergency landing. The plane crashed into the Caribbean, a few miles west of Barbados. All aboard perished, including a close friend of the Great DUer malaise.



Cubana Airlines DC-8 like the one bombed by BFEE members Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Both turds have been protected by Poppy and Baby Doc Bush and the CIA, which strangely has been loyal to them rather than to various presidencies before and in-between.

Here’s an excellent essay based on the facts:



The Charmed Life of a Mass Murderer

Posada Carriles and Bush's Anti-Terror Hoax

By SAUL LANDAU
Counterpunch June 9, 2005

President George W. Bush has emphasized that if one of the myriad of U.S. police agencies even suspect someone of planning, abetting or carrying out a terrorist act, he will, at a minimum, get tossed into a dark hole. Indeed, Bush has thrown the Magna Carta into the garbage heap when it comes to Muslims suspected of pernicious thoughts toward the United States.

But if suspected terrorists turn their rage toward the detested Fidel Castro, these rules don't apply.

Indeed, those who try to bomb Cuban targets, or those related to Cuba, receive special treatment. This double-standard casts a shadow over the president's commitment to fight terrorism.

For example, TV footage showed Homeland Security cops arresting Posada in mid May. But the arresting officers didn't even handcuff the Western Hemisphere's most notorious terrorist. (Remember how Bush's pal Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay ­ ENRON's CEO ­ got handcuffed?) Justice Department spokespeople said they plan to charge the foremost terrorist in the western hemisphere with "illegal entry into the United States."

The FBI has reams of files on Posada, affectionately called "Bambi" by his terrorist friends. Former FBI Special Agent Carter Cornick told New York Times reporter Tim Weiner that Posada was "up to his eyeballs" in the October 1976 destruction of a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members died. Recently published FBI and CIA documents not only confirm Cornick's statement, but also reveal that U.S. agencies had knowledge of the plot and did not inform Cuban authorities or try to stop the bombing.

SNIP…

One wonders: Did Posada announce his illegal presence in the United States with the idea that U.S. government complicity in aiding and abetting his past acts of terrorism would protect him? U.S. authorities didn't inform Cuba or try to stop the 1976 air-bombing plot, and in 1971, as Veciana stated, the CIA made the gun that Posada's agents placed inside the camera to assassinate Castro. And Ollie North has knowledge of Posada's covert activities for U.S. intelligence as well.

CONTINUED…

http://www.counterpunch.org/landau06092005.html



[font color="red"]What ties these two events together is the involvement of George Herbert Walker Bush, as then-CIA director, in their cover-up as crimes and in the protection of their perpetrators, as in the person of one Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch and their colleagues-in-terror.[/font color]

Think about it: A murder-forgiving CIA director Bush went on to become President of the United States. Today, Bush’s son, George, acts as president. The younger Bush has used his office from Day One to protect and cover-up the crimes of his father.

That’s what Hugo Chavez was talking about when he smelled the sulfur and called Bush “The Devil.”

America needs to wake up and smell the sulfur, too. Here’s some background on the above:



LUIS POSADA CARRILES
THE DECLASSIFIED RECORD


CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153 /

Don’t forget to check out Orlando Bosch, while you’re at it. GOOGLE with Jeb Bush for some interesting connections to the present day.

Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez interviewed National Security Archive’s Peter Kornbluh and Letelier’s son, Francisco:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/21/153...



Another important point to remember, is Kissinger's close association with Operation CONDOR, the assassination program run out of "The Cone" to silence democrats, liberals, union leaders, progressives, socialists, communists or anyone who stood for justice and equality.



Chile security chief was CIA informer

BBC Tuesday, 19 September, 2000, 23:24 GMT 00:24 UK

Recently declassified documents in the United States show that the former head of the secret police in Chile, Manuel Contreras, was a paid informant for the US intelligence agency, the CIA.

The report, comprising CIA documents requested by the US Congress, show that contact with Contreras began in 1974 - a year after the military coup that brought General Augusto Pinochet to power.

Contreras oversaw the much-feared security service DINA

The report adds that the contact was maintained until 1977 - a year after Contreras plotted the killing of the then Chilean Foreign Minister and foe of General Pinochet, Orlando Letelier, in Washington.

A BBC correspondent in Washington, Nick Bryant, says the documents reinforce the view that the US turned a blind eye towards political repression in Chile during the Pinochet era and that the CIA was complicit in many human rights abuses.

Pinochet's confidant

As head of the security service, DINA, Contreras became the one of the most feared men in Chile, second only to General Pinochet.

The general's iron rule was underpinned by the tactics of brutal repression that saw thousands die and thousands more flee into exile. Others disappeared or were tortured.

CONTINUED…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/932897.stm



Of course, there are even more sulferous friends than these…



Bush s Longstanding Criminal Mexican Amigos

The disturbing ties of some of George W. Bush's Latino advisors

More on Bush-Amigos links in PBS Frontline interview with Gary Jacobs


By Julie Reynolds
Research assistance by Victor Almazán and Ana Leonor Rojo

LOS AMIGOS DE BUSH

“Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres. (Tell me who you side with and I will tell you who you are.)” – “George W. Bush for President” web site

Those who say that George W. Bush has scant knowledge of foreign affairs don't understand his family's relationship with Mexico.

If one event could be said to make that relationship visible, it had to be the state dinner given eleven years ago by President Bush for Mexico's president, Carlos Salinas. It was an elegant yet boisterous gala, where the biggest movers and shakers in Texas and Mexico congregated and celebrated. This group was to become W's Mexican legacy, a gift of ties and connections passed on from the father to his son.

SNIP…

The Mexican president had spent a long day with President Bush signing trade pacts, the precursors of NAFTA. Salinas brought his so-called Dream Team: his commerce secretary, finance minister, and his personal Machiavelli, Jose Córdoba. It would later be astounding to see, as the decade unfolded, how many of that administration's proud men and women fell shamefully from grace - some exiled, some imprisoned and some assassinated.

No one knew it then, but many at that banquet would survive to one day help young W beat a path back to the White House. There were loyal "Bushfellas" who were old friends of the family: Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher Sr., General Colin Powell, and George Bush Senior's ever-present friend, Secretary of State James Baker. Gary Jacobs, whose Texas bank was about to be bought by the son of Mexico's billionaire-politico Carlos Hank González, was also a guest. Tony Garza, then a young judge, is now a Bush cabinet contender. Today, all are advisors or contributors to W's campaign.

Hidden among the glitterati were two relative unknowns. They were, however, familiar to the group at hand. They were the loyal "Amigos de Bush" from San Antonio: criminal defense lawyer Roy Barrera Jr. and car dealer Ernesto Ancira Jr. In contrast to the Salinas group, the ties of Barrera and Ancira to drug cartels would remain unnoticed for another decade. Their ties to George W. would grow stronger.

CONTINUED…

GOOGLE cache:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Th5_dq9beuYJ:www.el...

May also be at:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/contents10,2,00.htm





Henry Kissinger and Agusto Pinochet

“I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.” -- Henry A. Kissinger

Remember: If the guy W wanted to appoint head of the 9-11 Commission feels that way about democracy in Chile, what’s there to make us think he and those for whom he toils believe differently about democracy in the United States of America?

News Flash: NurseJackie Jun 2016 #1
What a nasty, nasty, woman. Wilms Jun 2016 #2
Authoritarians like her. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #11
What do you think her private emails to Kissinger reveal? Octafish Jun 2016 #3
I think they reveal that she Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #4
And she farts chemtrails! bettyellen Jun 2016 #7
Chemtrails supplied by the BFEE. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #8
Bill Clinton, the Lippo Group, and Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, Arkansas (5th Version) 1999 Octafish Jun 2016 #19
Clears up everything. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #22
Your post reflects your level of understanding, Dr Hobbitstein, not mine. Octafish Jun 2016 #35
I don't have the time to debunk your pages and pages Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #48
No theory: Dr Hobbitstein can't find anything wrong. Octafish Jun 2016 #49
You support white supremacist Paul Craig Roberts. Your argument is invalid. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #70
Not true. Octafish Jun 2016 #71
And you've shown DU that you'll believe any far-fetched conspiracy and bring it back to the BFEE. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #72
So why continue to make stuff up? It makes you look really small. Octafish Jun 2016 #75
I haven't made anything up. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #76
Show where I defend a racist, Dr Hobbitstein. That's a smear. Octafish Jun 2016 #77
I hope I've shown DU that I'm not scared to call out supporters of white supremacists, Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #79
It's only in your mind, as you can't show any of that. Octafish Jun 2016 #82
I don't give a fuck who PCR stood up for, Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #84
No need to go frothy. Like I told SidDithers of DU... Octafish Jun 2016 #87
You keep saying smear. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #88
Smear, move the goalposts, invent crap, make me waste time defending it. Octafish Jun 2016 #91
List of times Octafish was right. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #93
Wait, where did I smear Naomi Kline? Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #90
That was SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jun 2016 #94
You put it in the response to me, Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #97
You are really quite a specimen, Doc. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #95
Says the poster who posts bullshit from anti-semites. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #96
Here's a more current link for your analysis Doc-its still open for those that can read. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #101
A conversation with yourself about woo sites? I'll pass (as did everyone else). Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #109
I remember you, now. Octafish Jun 2016 #111
No, it's code for Conspiracy Theorist. I never called anyone Better Believe It nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #112
Which is a smear. Octafish Jun 2016 #115
Ok. Whatever you say, my dearest Octafish. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #127
Seeing how you don't show where I'm wrong, you bother me. Octafish Jun 2016 #131
Gish Gallop. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #137
Every word is sourced. Octafish Jun 2016 #138
That "wrecked him", once again, Sir! bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #52
I messed you up by saying you support Karl Rove over Don Siegelman, didn't I? Octafish Jun 2016 #58
Why not address the Clintons' real-life connections to Kissinger in the OP? Octafish Jun 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #51
Nice smear. Octafish Jun 2016 #69
He has stock in ALCOA. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #73
What wit. Octafish Jun 2016 #78
The BFEE made me do it. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #80
You really know how to hurt a guy. Octafish Jun 2016 #134
That you can't get over it Gomez163 Jun 2016 #126
Tell that to their victims Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #26
I have no idea why you are so militant. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #128
It's unclear where you're going with this. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #130
How come you are not trotting out the Trump/Hillary wedding pictures any more? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #5
Serve one oligarch and you served them all, eh? Octafish Jun 2016 #10
I suppose you think the best way to govern is with a stick? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #13
No picture can do justice for what they've done. Octafish Jun 2016 #15
Incredible that some at DU are supporting a candidate... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #6
Yes, TRULY unbelievable because it's not true. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #9
Just for you, a learning experience: Herman4747 Jun 2016 #12
"It's on the Internet so it must be true!" Lord Magus Jun 2016 #17
So, show the first you find in what I've posted on this or any thread that's not true. Octafish Jun 2016 #18
Don't hold your breath. He has nothing. Raster Jun 2016 #27
The author was a Pulitzer finalist, so he's obviously just a hack. RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #29
Get your head out of the sand. Loudestlib Jun 2016 #31
Exactly apcalc Jun 2016 #106
It's important for those interested in Democratic Action, not Kissinger Action. Octafish Jun 2016 #16
K&R Electric Monk Jun 2016 #20
Kissinger on Democracy in Chile Octafish Jun 2016 #38
Kick (nt) bigwillq Jun 2016 #21
The Last Man of the Junta: Open Letter to Henry Kissinger from One of Pinochet's Political Prisoners Octafish Jun 2016 #39
K&R Embracing an evil war criminal: all one needs to know (combined with record of reckless Neo Con amborin Jun 2016 #23
Kissinger helped Nixon commit treason in 1968, derailing Paris peace talks. Octafish Jun 2016 #37
Kick! Agony Jun 2016 #24
Operation CONDOR Octafish Jun 2016 #40
K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #25
General Pinochet at the Bookstore Octafish Jun 2016 #44
Poor Bernie. Apparently, he never learned how to "evolve" RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #28
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #30
''I'm proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #65
All I can say about this post and BSS is redstateblues Jun 2016 #32
Indeed, Kissinger has brought a great deal of misery into this world Fumesucker Jun 2016 #34
Thank you. Octafish Jun 2016 #81
I came of age in the Deep South in the later 60's Fumesucker Jun 2016 #98
It's how we were raised. Octafish Jun 2016 #102
+ a few million nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #119
Let me ask you a question PJMcK Jun 2016 #33
Gen. Patton said if everybody's thinking alike, nobody's doing any thinking. Octafish Jun 2016 #36
Brilliant thread G_j Jun 2016 #42
Seems the Pentagon suspected Nixon and Kissinger were traitors. Octafish Jun 2016 #85
I thought you were going to say the sabotaging G_j Jun 2016 #107
Seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero... brooklynite Jun 2016 #41
Won't change the truth. Octafish Jun 2016 #43
Six of one; half dozen of another... brooklynite Jun 2016 #46
One. As in: ''I am the one-percent.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #55
Extremely Democratic though Fumesucker Jun 2016 #74
Not surprising tho after he said this, Go Vols Jun 2016 #99
Counting down the days until we can no longer post John Poet Jun 2016 #83
Hillary dealt with Honduras just like a Kissinger. John Poet Jun 2016 #45
That is the take-away. Octafish Jun 2016 #63
I have a pretty strong camel. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #108
Gumby-like over-reach. Darb Jun 2016 #47
Can Hillary Clinton Renounce Henry Kissinger? Octafish Jun 2016 #68
One more week jzodda Jun 2016 #50
Rather than the CT strawman, show where I've posted something in error. Octafish Jun 2016 #54
I am going to simplify things jzodda Jun 2016 #60
Hard for some to look past guilt by association Rose Siding Jun 2016 #56
Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger Octafish Jun 2016 #67
I would respond to this calumny in my inimitable way but Skinner asked me to be nice. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #53
Calumny implies smear, slander, and libel. What's false in what I posted? Octafish Jun 2016 #57
I would respond to this calumny in my inimitable way but Skinner asked me to be nice. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #59
Do you ever wonder what Hillary and Erik Prince talk about? Octafish Jun 2016 #61
"Do you ever wonder what Hillary and Erik Prince talk about?" DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #62
Can't address the question, so you threaten via the Jackson 5. Octafish Jun 2016 #64
I am trying to help you. I want you around after we go into G E mode DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #66
Wrong album. "Lives In The Balance" would be more appropriate. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #110
They don't care, Octafish. senz Jun 2016 #135
K&R#43 bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #86
Banksters! BCCI and Marc Rich were two of those thousand points of green light. Octafish Jun 2016 #89
We certainly aren't the only people that love the truth here, are we? bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #92
It's what Democracy needs and why the First Amendment. Octafish Jun 2016 #100
An intelligent person listens to ALL opinions. It helps in not repeating those same mistakes. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #103
I don't need a war criminal to tell me war is wrong. Octafish Jun 2016 #123
Dead on once again Octafish Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #104
Realpolitik means millions dead are ''worth it.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #139
Are you friendly with ONLY those you agree with? apcalc Jun 2016 #105
What conservatives say about Henry Kissinger... Octafish Jun 2016 #124
Makes too much of it treestar Jun 2016 #113
She is her own person. Octafish Jun 2016 #117
That is just one second in her life too treestar Jun 2016 #132
If Kissinger has a house in the DR that he, Hillary and Bill go to for holidays, why can't they 2cannan Jun 2016 #114
Is that the Democratic Republic of the Congo or the Republic of Congo? Octafish Jun 2016 #116
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #118
The Once and Future Kissinger Octafish Jun 2016 #120
In Henry's hands both War and Peace Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #122
The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger and A Forgotten Genocide Octafish Jun 2016 #125
WOw Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #133
Who knows what the future holds? She may have tapped his brain's good parts? Octafish Jun 2016 #136
Another learning curve kick for the real DU reality-based community. n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #140
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