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2016 Postmortem

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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:04 AM May 2016

Salon: Bernie must drop notion that everyone who disagrees with him is corrupt or a dupe [View all]

Right is left and left is right again.

The Wall Street Journal, Fox News and even Donald Trump have been quick to jump to the defense of Bernie, offer him a forum to air his grievances against the Democratic Party, or argue that Bernie, not Hillary, would be the stronger candidate in the general election. Conversely, some traditionally liberal publications have called on Bernie to discontinue arguments that the nomination process is rigged or corrupt, which could lead voters in the end to simply abandon the party or the process. For example, here is one Bernie supporter on Vox explaining why in response to Bernie's rhetoric, he will be leaving the Democratic party forever:

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/26/11778158/shaun-king-democratic-party

The result of Bernie's revolution could very well be that it backfire as it causes folks like Shaun King to become disenchanted with the political process and decline to vote, or to simply cast Nader-like protest votes, which allow the radical right to consolidate power. Indeed, rather than focusing on the issues, Bernie's increasing willingness to make personal attacks against Hillary, and adopt right wing arguments on the ground "Donald Trump and other Republicans will seize on it,” suggests that in the end, Bernie's revolution is remarkable in how conventional it has ultimately become.

Of course, the downside of arguments that the political process is corrupt or that votes do not count is that the logical inference of such arguments is that one should not vote. Indeed, it creates this strange dynamic that losses are not legitimate and the only legitimate voters are Bernie votes.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/bernie_insults_voters_he_must_drop_notion_that_everyone_who_disagrees_with_him_is_corrupt_or_a_dupe/

Unfortunately, Sanders is also injecting one of the most wrong-headed and frankly embarrassing aspects of lefty thought into our discourse: The tendency to dismiss people who disagree with you as dupes who have been misled by a shadowy cabal of evil masterminds who brainwash the masses in order to perpetuate economic injustice.

This is the premise of Sanders’ “political revolution” argument: That the only reason voters hadn’t backed a socialist in the past is they never really had a chance to. But once they heard the good news about democratic socialism, they will throw off their shackles, embrace the truth, and usher in our socialist paradise.

That sort of rhetoric is harmless enough when it’s a pitch to win over voters. But now Sanders is losing the nomination. Rather than accepting the possibility that the voters heard his pitch and disagreed with him, however, Sanders has started to dismiss his loss as inauthentic, the product of shadowy forces misleading the easily duped voters rather an an authentic rejection, by the voters, of his ideas.

“I don’t want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils,” Sanders told George Stephanopoulos of ABC News on Sunday. “I want the American people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of social justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice.”
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I hope someone will do an investigative piece (book) on why a democratic socialist who underthematrix May 2016 #1
Um GRhodes May 2016 #5
What is sad is people like the OP TimPlo May 2016 #9
Thank you! Very well said! Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #18
Yep GRhodes Jun 2016 #40
When is the far left going to prove they can win some g.. damn elections.? BootinUp Jun 2016 #56
I don't have a problem with socialism or Bernie being a Democratic socialist. underthematrix May 2016 #38
He has absolutely ZERO chance of winning the nomination LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #47
LOL! GRhodes Jun 2016 #50
Acually, Bernie and his campaign were out of their league and have only themselves to blame brush Jun 2016 #54
What a crappy, poorly thought out argument GRhodes Jun 2016 #58
He shouldn't have went negative. brush Jun 2016 #59
Nonsense GRhodes Jun 2016 #61
Politicians by their very natures have well-developed egos, some more than others. Sanders anotherproletariat May 2016 #8
what the fuck are you talking about. Loyal to who? By speaking his principles, he's JCanete May 2016 #24
+100000 times flor-de-jasmim May 2016 #26
actually Bernie is just another corporate stooge. He's trying to win underthematrix Jun 2016 #42
Do you know what a corporate stooge is? Name some corporations who's bidding he's actually doing. JCanete Jun 2016 #44
And as a cynical politician, (your word not mine), he was quite content to sit in Congress politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #45
He has used party resources that I, as a Democrat, want him to use. He's not threatening to burn JCanete Jun 2016 #48
So he can take support from groups he calls corrupt bettyellen Jun 2016 #57
no one else can what? Is somebody else getting lambasted for that? JCanete Jun 2016 #60
Everyone knows that the US has a two-party system, for better or for worse gollygee May 2016 #27
Everyone knows GRhodes May 2016 #30
I'm talking only about how things have worke in this election right now and why it makes sense that gollygee May 2016 #32
underthematrix—Start by reading about the Democrats like Frankin Roosevelt. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #41
It was a political calculation. He needed the Dem brand for national name recogition . . . brush Jun 2016 #53
Did nobody notice? lmbradford May 2016 #2
+1. VulgarPoet May 2016 #20
Yuuge +1. yourout Jun 2016 #52
That was total garbage. You should delete it RobertEarl May 2016 #3
Well GRhodes May 2016 #4
Bernie Setting Himself Up As A Messiah Will Cause Folks To Tune Out TomCADem May 2016 #11
... GRhodes May 2016 #28
Excellent post!!! eom asuhornets May 2016 #33
And again you disparage the Left and why? What does the left want that rhett o rick May 2016 #6
Your Post Is Ted Cruz Like - If You Do Not Swear Fealty to Bernie... TomCADem May 2016 #12
... GRhodes May 2016 #29
Apparently you guys don't pay attention. We've never claimed Sen Sanders is the "end all". I rhett o rick May 2016 #35
Thanks for proving the articles point, Rick. zappaman May 2016 #21
OK, if Hillary drops the notion that everyone who disagrees with her Doctor_J May 2016 #7
So, Bernie's Campaign Endorses Trump's "Woman Card" Attacks? TomCADem May 2016 #13
... VulgarPoet May 2016 #37
YEAH! Money, power and lobbyists don't corrupt anyone. That the rich get richer merrily May 2016 #10
You know, i dont think they see... lmbradford May 2016 #14
Who is it that you think are not seeing that people suffer? merrily May 2016 #15
The only thing that Sanders "must" do is see this through to the end, in July, at the Con. mikehiggins May 2016 #16
Follow the money. JRLeft May 2016 #17
Being the only honest, un-bought (by corprats/Wall St) candidate, he's probably right. n/t Triana May 2016 #19
Poppet: Amanda Marcotte must drop using inane planted axioms. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #22
Oh. My. God. Dem2 May 2016 #23
that's some serious made-up bullshit about Bernie. Oh its Amanda Marcotte...no wonder. aikoaiko May 2016 #25
Right...the hair on fire, Joan of Arc, rigged election, narrative is getting very very old. Sheepshank May 2016 #31
Disagrees with him on what? That private money corrupts politics and politicians? Orsino May 2016 #34
Many of them are, unfortunately. $1MILLION to spread manure nc4bo May 2016 #36
recommended! Bill USA May 2016 #39
Pisspoor strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #43
It may be true that not everyone against him is a corrupt dupe. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #46
What increasing personal attacks on Hillary are they talking about? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #49
messiah complex now with sanders. believing his own delusions??? beachbum bob Jun 2016 #51
Sanders is an ideologue workinclasszero Jun 2016 #55
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