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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: For 2020, the Democratic Party Should Take Back Its Nomination Methods [View all]HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)20. ...ok, here we go...
'Switch every state to primary elections, rather than caucuses - This would provide a much fairer measure of Democratic voter sentiment'
That coupled with this
'The entire process should aid the Democratic Party in selecting its own nominee. It should be our party's nominee'
and this
'require the super delegates to vote en masse for the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Since that has been the practice in the past, it should be required in the future. If more than two candidates run, the super delegates can act as they wish to eliminate a convention deadlock. '
This last bit is the KEY...
here's why,
MM's claim 'super delegates to vote en masse for the candidate with the most pledged delegates' should hold to convention VOTE, but he doesn't make the statement that PLEDGING should be held off UNTIL convention... what's happened in the 'past' and to be carried over to 'future' is exactly what occurs this cycle... all those SDs pledging BEFORE a single primary vote has been cast
Which NULLIFIES or renders all his points mute....
SDs are party bosses or establishment, we agree on that correct?
But let's continue....
'These rules are already part of all states' convention rules, and call for expulsion of those who violate them'
Nothing stated about making the rules across all states more uniform and simplified... the reasons for disruptive behavior is due to lack of clarity and too complex of rules base
Layering more rules and committees gives more control back to those that make the rules... again party bosses
Then there's this bit
'Primaries should be held in larger groups of states - We have 50 states, plus about 6 other jurisdictions who send delegates to the convention. Divide those by 8 and hold 7 primary elections, equally spaced during the primary period. For each primary date, select states or jurisdictions in a way that represents all regions of the country on an equal basis. Each of the 7 primary elections would have 8 states or jurisdictions, scattered across the country and distributed among states with different populations. This would prevent skewed results by avoiding grouping states with similar demographics or other similarities on a single election date. 7 primary dates to cover the entire field.'
The 'expedite' it bit, imagine the lack of vetting a 'speedier' primary process would pop out a nominee... this just allows the party bosses to craft a packaged narrative around a specific nominee, slap on the SD pledge tag to that nominee, spin that nominee out for a quick fly by to the public and news... vote through quickly and viola...
Remember when Bernie started out at single digits and was labelled a 'fringe candidate'? If all these 'rules' that are being advocated here were placed into the actual process... how do you perceive this current cycle would actually play out? same or different?
But the main bit I want to point to is that vid I linked here... 'grassroots' prevention
Do you believe Bernie, and his campaign are considered 'grassroots'?
Who or whom is DNC talking about in that vid? what's their def of 'grassroots'?
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For 2020, the Democratic Party Should Take Back Its Nomination Methods [View all]
MineralMan
May 2016
OP
it is actually democratic - a private organization allowing all its members to participate. anyone
msongs
May 2016
#39
create a category - everybodyelse/independents and persons running that category can pay for that.
msongs
May 2016
#41
Open up to everyone to vote...and the popular vote wins. (after counting paper ballots)
bkkyosemite
May 2016
#6
...'I have some doubts about how applicable some of this is to any election in the near future'...
HumanityExperiment
May 2016
#125
It would probably cost about $3 minimum per ballot not including counting of the ballots.
LiberalFighter
May 2016
#66
We have examples of people who thought they were registered properly but were not.
hellofromreddit
May 2016
#88
You can bet your sweet bippy that work is feverishily ongoing as we tappy tap at our keyboards
Fumesucker
May 2016
#15
bernie sanders could have become a democrat any time but chose to wait 73 yrs then demand the
msongs
May 2016
#43
With a primary everything between a precinct/county caucus and state convention would be eliminated.
LiberalFighter
May 2016
#67
I'm good with this except for number 2. And all locations need paper trails for vote confirmation.
floriduck
May 2016
#19
I didn't question that. I meant you won't get both parties to have their primaries on the same day.
floriduck
May 2016
#63
I would wonder whether having parties financing primaries as voters could possibly vote in more than
LiberalFighter
May 2016
#68
I'd be good with ranked choice and one round. Probably do the one vote in March
Algernon Moncrieff
May 2016
#51
IMO there is no reason to have majority winner. It is a matter of delegate count.
LiberalFighter
May 2016
#70
Yes, very few understand the SDs. The media is primarily at fault with it.
LiberalFighter
May 2016
#75
Sorry, but nobody should be a part of deciding the Dmeocratic nominee but Democrats.
MohRokTah
May 2016
#87
Amen! Since when did we begin test driving the "small tent" model for party obsolescence?
Vote2016
May 2016
#59
Condense the calendar while we're at it. Having 5 states per week vote cuts it to 10 weeks, max.
BobbyDrake
May 2016
#64
Primary elections are paid for by tax payers, therefore they should all be open.
B Calm
May 2016
#74
no caucuses, just one person/one vote in every state , standardize it nationally, it is a national
larkrake
May 2016
#104
Having closed primaries, and especially when voters are purged by the millions beyond that, is like
Time for change
May 2016
#126