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Prism

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75. Hillary supporters should actually consider the good that would come of this
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:10 AM
May 2016

I know one angle of this story that partisans will enhance - Bernie will show he's formidable against Trump. Clinton supporters will declare him delusional and presumptuous.

But there's another angle here worth exploring for both Bernie and Hillary supporters.

The party is fractured right now. There are many on the Left and left-leaning Independents who love Bernie but are chilly at best towards Clinton.

But what if Sanders goes toe to toe with Trump? Then the focus shifts. If his supporters, especially Millennials, see Bernie painting Trump as the ultimate enemy in a debate, they may find shifting to Clinton much more comfortable.

He could bring reticent or disillusioned supporters into the NeverTrump camp by nakedly exposing Trump's danger.

So, it feels kind of win-win to me. Bernie has the potential to gain further influence in the party, but he'll also be uniting the party by singling out the common enemy.

Part of me wants to say, "Going after the Republican nominee should be the Democratic nominee's prerogative." I want to go, ooh, poor form. But . . .

But if the goal is unity and shifting focus, this could work well for Clinton in the general.

General election mode. morningfog May 2016 #1
Trump trying to build his "charitable giving" by using debate with Bernie. Jitter65 May 2016 #103
dernie is out of money and needs air time. stonecutter357 May 2016 #105
Oh snap! If Bernie and Trump Debate, Hillary's going to look stupid for not debating Bernie Joob May 2016 #2
very. n/t dana_b May 2016 #3
I think she has other things to worry about right now oioioi May 2016 #4
What was she so paranoid about with her own server? Baobab May 2016 #10
No. Bernie has lost. But don't turn down an opportunity for him to debate Trump and raise TONS of Beausoir May 2016 #39
Redeem himself from what? Calling Hillary out from her corporatism? JRLeft May 2016 #65
C'mon. We're talking about Bernie and his ability to get BIG things done. Beausoir May 2016 #71
You already took a piss on the thread with that "redeemed" garbage Scootaloo May 2016 #73
HAHA! Sure. I'll be watching that one! Won't matter at all since Secretary Clinton has won and is Beausoir May 2016 #5
She is leading. She has not yet won. morningfog May 2016 #12
You will be watching it along with most of America! pinebox May 2016 #16
Hope Bernie has enough clout to make this happen. I would be thrilled to see this! Beausoir May 2016 #23
He does. Trump already said he would do it for charity. I think it's on! pinebox May 2016 #26
Great, if Hillary does not want to be in debate then so be it. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #6
ANOTHER body blow! reddread May 2016 #7
Let's see if Bernie is able to get this thing done. After all, he is running for President. Beausoir May 2016 #24
what small thing? reddread May 2016 #25
Why, challenging Trump, of course. Should be a cinch for Bernie to get this debate on the books. Beausoir May 2016 #30
its going to be ok, If they cant, they cant reddread May 2016 #31
What's the problem? fancypants75 May 2016 #77
May not be the smartest move brush May 2016 #95
I hope Trump doesn't walk this back! basselope May 2016 #8
Nawww Trump won't. Not his style. pinebox May 2016 #28
I can see why Hillary would not want to debate anybody right now. She should stay home. Baobab May 2016 #9
Young Turks Trying To Setup Sanders / Trump Debate merkins May 2016 #11
Great, more exposure for Bernie's platform! HughLefty1 May 2016 #13
But. But... she likes "intimate" settings. Fawke Em May 2016 #21
Woooot!! This is a worth read about this topic from the wonderful Seth Abramson jillan May 2016 #14
I called it! GO TWITTER! This is EPIC! pinebox May 2016 #15
I remember that one! dana_b May 2016 #17
Yup! I don't care what station this on! Let's do this! pinebox May 2016 #18
they dont need a station reddread May 2016 #36
Hmmm. Stream you say? YouTube has the bandwidth! pinebox May 2016 #38
This is AWESOME. Show them what a US President can be, Senator Sanders. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #19
Amen! pinebox May 2016 #20
My son and his friends on Skype are all screaming for joy about this. Fawke Em May 2016 #22
Can Bernie get this done??? Is he strong enough to hold Trump to his words? Is Bernie Presidential Beausoir May 2016 #27
This is going to rock! pinebox May 2016 #29
No Kidding! Love this idea for charity. Beausoir May 2016 #33
I think so dana_b May 2016 #32
Venue? How about Madison Square Garden? Beausoir May 2016 #34
No, in California dana_b May 2016 #37
How about the "deep south" as Bernie calls it? Beausoir May 2016 #42
I still think California since the whole point was since Hillary won't dana_b May 2016 #45
Oracle Arena might be available after tomorrow HughLefty1 May 2016 #43
I could ride my bike there dana_b May 2016 #48
I'm thinking outdoors. pinebox May 2016 #40
I think logistics would demand differently reddread May 2016 #52
How about the Palace of Fine Arts, SF? Carter debated Ford there in '76 DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #67
That would be interesting nt deathrind May 2016 #35
This is the strangest election ever. SlipperySlope May 2016 #41
I said it would be reddread May 2016 #47
GAME ON! reddread May 2016 #44
DWS, Reid, etc could try to stop it.. HughLefty1 May 2016 #46
Hillary will DEFINITELY be ready to debate now dana_b May 2016 #51
No, no, no. Hillary won't want anything to do with this. Take it to the bank. Beausoir May 2016 #56
I can see that too dana_b May 2016 #64
I could see that. But it will look ridiculous if they do. Joob May 2016 #55
What could they possibly do to stop it? Kick him out of the convention? RichVRichV May 2016 #78
Fuck them, they can't. morningfog May 2016 #108
Could be worth watching for the trainwreck quality KingFlorez May 2016 #49
I'd rather watch this than listen to Hillary's nails-on-a-chalkboard voice. Fawke Em May 2016 #57
Don't ruin a nice thread. Beausoir May 2016 #60
The bigger story will be the spectacular collapse of the Clinton campaign DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #61
No one but Sanders supporters care about another debate KingFlorez May 2016 #66
No, I think honesty is important to some outside of Sanders' camp. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #68
"Most people", as you say, are becoming quite used to the Jack Bone May 2016 #107
Promote the hell out of this! Bernie needs to get this done! Beausoir May 2016 #69
Yeah, I already saw you trying to set this up as an all-or-nothing for Sanders in other posts. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #72
What Charity would you like to see reap the windfall? I'm thinking Hispanic College Fund. Beausoir May 2016 #50
I don't think that Bernie really dislike Dolores Huerta dana_b May 2016 #53
It will be something mutual and mainsteam pinebox May 2016 #54
Well, Komen is anti-choice, so that should serve Trump. And Bernie will have to watch out so Trump Beausoir May 2016 #58
Oh really? pinebox May 2016 #59
Yep. It's a nasty business. See link below. Just one of many. Beausoir May 2016 #62
yikes pinebox May 2016 #63
Not to defend Trump HughLefty1 May 2016 #80
K&R! I can't wait! nt silvershadow May 2016 #70
Oh, I hope so. I would love to see Trump get the verbal axe-handling he's been begging for Scootaloo May 2016 #74
Hillary supporters should actually consider the good that would come of this Prism May 2016 #75
Wow, just incredible. If this actually happens, it would be historic One Black Sheep May 2016 #76
lets call it the debate of two guys who will never be president. MFM008 May 2016 #79
DIRECTLY helping Trump ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #81
"Treason against the party"...for destroying the shit out of Trump? OK then. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #83
For starters, being shunned ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #89
Pop quiz: what is Congress's approval rating? DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #90
oh give me a break. Hillary had her chance and said no dana_b May 2016 #84
Careful...I'd hate to see you go down on a Party Treason bust. ;) DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #86
oh yeah, thanks dana_b May 2016 #88
well played whirlygigspin May 2016 #92
LOL amazing spin fancypants75 May 2016 #93
Trump doesn't do charity except lately to the VA for political reasons The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #82
Have you ever watched The Apprentice? One of the nicest things IdaBriggs May 2016 #100
No never watched that asshole. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #110
When voters see Bernie mop the floor with Trump, Liberty Belle May 2016 #85
well she's going to try and cut in now dana_b May 2016 #87
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #91
Wow. That's a bridge he can't un-burn. (nt) Recursion May 2016 #94
Bernie would be regarded ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #96
He couldn't care less. He's not a team player. grossproffit May 2016 #97
Yet he aspires to be national ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #98
Yep. Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common. grossproffit May 2016 #104
Hillary once again proves she's the victim of her own bad judgement! B Calm May 2016 #99
Well, they both talk about a rigged system, maybe both can agree and then the Thinkingabout May 2016 #101
and they feel similarly toward the Democratic Party DrDan May 2016 #109
verifies sanders complete lack of class, something we have been suspecting for a while beachbum bob May 2016 #102
This is a chance for Bernie to redeem himself Spacedog1973 May 2016 #106
I don't thik he cares about "redeeming himself dana_b May 2016 #112
Now THAT I would Look Forward too! 2banon May 2016 #111
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