2016 Postmortem

Octafish

(55,745 posts)

87. Carter was sabotaged by Poppy Bush and CIA

Mon May 23, 2016, 07:41 PM

May 2016

October Surprise was just the tip of the iceberg in 1980. The main body was totally off the radar: most people have never heard of the Safari Club.

Instead of going after Reagan, Casey and Bush's TREASON that sank President Carter's presidency, let alone all the criminality from Iran-Contra to the crooked S&L fiasco to the Safari Club to BCCI, President Clinton didn't help matters leading up to today's world where the super-rich get even richer off of wars without end while the middle class evaporates to nothingness through WTO crapola from the likes of Larry Summers and Goldman Sachs.

So, yeah, if that is "whining," sorry. They're the facts.

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Thomas Frank: It's Bill Clinton Who Wrecked the Democratic Party [View all] Octafish May 2016 OP

I have to laugh matt819 May 2016 #1

Learning from our mistakes pmorlan1 May 2016 #3

I've learned. 840high May 2016 #51

Me Too pmorlan1 May 2016 #54

Me three farleftlib May 2016 #88

It's the weirdest thing. I like the guy, but I can't stand A LOT of what he did as President. Octafish May 2016 #7

We gave deregulation of the banks and NAFTA plenty of chance to work. We fucked up. We brewens May 2016 #58

Before Clinton, Dems had lost five of the last six Presidential elections... CrowCityDem May 2016 #2

Winning at all cost, eh? pmorlan1 May 2016 #5

Winning with Clinton is a heck of a lot better than Reagan, Bush, Trump, and whoever's worse. CrowCityDem May 2016 #8

You bought that fearmongering lie pmorlan1 May 2016 #9

It's all a lie SCantiGOP May 2016 #20

It wasn't peaceful for labor. Fawke Em May 2016 #24

Intervention in Yugoslavia, not in Rowanda. That Guy 888 May 2016 #56

Demographics won the republicans the elections then and are helping us win now. craigmatic May 2016 #12

the Perot-myth is a lie and has no place on a Democratic forum ericson00 May 2016 #62

1992 was not a realigning election. Clinton didn't redefine politics in any substantial way that craigmatic May 2016 #66

got no retort to the data? ericson00 May 2016 #70

If all those who voted for Perot in 1996 voted for Dole, Clinton still would have had.... George II May 2016 #85

Not true. George II May 2016 #84

"Clinton gave it new life"... ljm2002 May 2016 #22

Before Clinton, we had huge majorities in congress and the state houses Doctor_J May 2016 #25

"Winning at any cost" is all that matters right? Even if the cost is your soul? Armstead May 2016 #27

ever heard of Planned Parenthood vs. Casey? Roe almost got overturned in '92 ericson00 May 2016 #61

"Party over principle" is a morally bankrupt philosophy n/t arcane1 May 2016 #32

It is. 840high May 2016 #53

I care more about the health of this country than I do about completely changing the goals bjo59 May 2016 #42

perfectly said. Give me the wrecking ball AND a bulldozer ericson00 May 2016 #63

Excellent point: Clinton unified the various factions for Victory. Octafish May 2016 #80

Yet Democrats controlled Congress Larkspur May 2016 #82

Absolutely spot on 2banon May 2016 #4

I don't vote Democratic to go along with the GOP. Octafish May 2016 #35

K&R - great post Ferd Berfel May 2016 #6

Watch Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and Phil Gramm Have a Love Fest Over Repeal of Glass Steagall Octafish May 2016 #81

IT's a fucking fascist wet dream Ferd Berfel May 2016 #89

This was my opinion before I saw this article. tabasco May 2016 #10

I think of the Clintons and the DLC/Third Way/"New" Democrats as Vichy Democrats dflprincess May 2016 #68

Thank you for posting this, Octafish. K&R Hiraeth May 2016 #11

George Carlin said it best. Rex May 2016 #13

His analysis is correct -- But I don't agree with his fatalism Armstead May 2016 #28

I agree I do not think we must be heading off a cliff. Rex May 2016 #31

I believe that a time to change won't always be available and that a time when change becomes bjo59 May 2016 #44

That Time May Have Passed Octafish May 2016 #75

If ... Scuba May 2016 #14

Up until now, at least. vintx May 2016 #15

that's why Trump's dangerous--he's a deranged fascistic RINO who tells people what they MisterP May 2016 #21

Yes but sadly the Left seeks Democracy while the Right seeks fascism. rhett o rick May 2016 #72

Yep. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #33

K&R amborin May 2016 #16

Clintons looked good after BushI felix_numinous May 2016 #17

k&r nationalize the fed May 2016 #18

TRUTH. Clinton and Al From sold the Democrats down the drain senz May 2016 #19

This is a great article, because it exposes what I never really understood about the Dem Neos Hydra May 2016 #23

And that's why it goes against everything America stands for. pdsimdars May 2016 #34

Oh please that is just ridiculous Demsrule86 May 2016 #26

We had the first sucessful mass strike by the Teamsters in 20 years with Clinton tirebiter May 2016 #29

Don't forget the newest adopted member of of the Bush family Doctor_J May 2016 #30

It doesn't matter so much how Bill did things, but how Hillary will do things. highprincipleswork May 2016 #36

'A concerted FDR style, Progressive Democratic Party' = Landslide Octafish May 2016 #37

I agree!!! And why's it so hard to get behind that in general and keep it real and solid? highprincipleswork May 2016 #38

Thank you for this post. blue neen May 2016 #39

Thank you! highprincipleswork May 2016 #40

Agreed. blue neen May 2016 #45

Did Thomas Frank actually say those words "It's Bill Clinton Who Wrecked the Democratic Party"? blue neen May 2016 #41

It sums up: Clinton reversed FDR, helping banks and powerful over workers and poor. Octafish May 2016 #46

Yes or no. blue neen May 2016 #47

What quote? That is a title to the video. Octafish May 2016 #50

It's a shame you chose to resort to personal attacks, rather than answering a respectful question. blue neen May 2016 #65

How is pointing out that you support Hillary a personal attack? Octafish May 2016 #77

Thomas Frank, like a lot of American White Leftists, constantly ignore race as a factor Yavin4 May 2016 #43

Not more than a dimes difference nolabels May 2016 #49

Another Demsrule86 May 2016 #57

wrong -- the party abandoned workers of all races nashville_brook May 2016 #59

Wait just a minute. The Clintons sold the AA community down the river for cash. rhett o rick May 2016 #73

True, but he didn't do it alone. Alex4Martinez May 2016 #48

Why are we discussing Bill when it's Hillary that's running? hedgehog May 2016 #52

Because she floated having him 840high May 2016 #55

Why add gasoline to the fire? hedgehog May 2016 #90

Tell Hillary that. 840high May 2016 #91

Ruined, subverted, undermined, sold, used, enriched himself with, disgraced. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #60

KnR.nt m-lekktor May 2016 #64

Behold the cold, hard truth that only time has revealed, and tough for so many to accept. seafan May 2016 #67

of course he did, along with the other members of the DLC. nt antigop May 2016 #69

Yep portlander23 May 2016 #71

Thank you Monica, for saving Social Security n/t eridani May 2016 #74

K&R. dchill May 2016 #76

K&R! Katashi_itto May 2016 #78

Kicked and recommended! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #79

Kick and Recommend. nt. polly7 May 2016 #83

Would that be the same Democratic party that he made relevant again and managed to lead Beacool May 2016 #86

Carter was sabotaged by Poppy Bush and CIA Octafish May 2016 #87