2016 Postmortem

ljm2002

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22. "Clinton gave it new life"...

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:49 PM

May 2016

...yeah, in the sense that Frankenstein gave his monster new life -- IOW, the thing that lives now, is not the same as what it was before it was given "new life".

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Thomas Frank: It's Bill Clinton Who Wrecked the Democratic Party [View all] Octafish May 2016 OP

I have to laugh matt819 May 2016 #1

Learning from our mistakes pmorlan1 May 2016 #3

I've learned. 840high May 2016 #51

Me Too pmorlan1 May 2016 #54

Me three farleftlib May 2016 #88

It's the weirdest thing. I like the guy, but I can't stand A LOT of what he did as President. Octafish May 2016 #7

We gave deregulation of the banks and NAFTA plenty of chance to work. We fucked up. We brewens May 2016 #58

Before Clinton, Dems had lost five of the last six Presidential elections... CrowCityDem May 2016 #2

Winning at all cost, eh? pmorlan1 May 2016 #5

Winning with Clinton is a heck of a lot better than Reagan, Bush, Trump, and whoever's worse. CrowCityDem May 2016 #8

You bought that fearmongering lie pmorlan1 May 2016 #9

It's all a lie SCantiGOP May 2016 #20

It wasn't peaceful for labor. Fawke Em May 2016 #24

Intervention in Yugoslavia, not in Rowanda. That Guy 888 May 2016 #56

Demographics won the republicans the elections then and are helping us win now. craigmatic May 2016 #12

the Perot-myth is a lie and has no place on a Democratic forum ericson00 May 2016 #62

1992 was not a realigning election. Clinton didn't redefine politics in any substantial way that craigmatic May 2016 #66

got no retort to the data? ericson00 May 2016 #70

If all those who voted for Perot in 1996 voted for Dole, Clinton still would have had.... George II May 2016 #85

Not true. George II May 2016 #84

"Clinton gave it new life"... ljm2002 May 2016 #22

Before Clinton, we had huge majorities in congress and the state houses Doctor_J May 2016 #25

"Winning at any cost" is all that matters right? Even if the cost is your soul? Armstead May 2016 #27

ever heard of Planned Parenthood vs. Casey? Roe almost got overturned in '92 ericson00 May 2016 #61

"Party over principle" is a morally bankrupt philosophy n/t arcane1 May 2016 #32

It is. 840high May 2016 #53

I care more about the health of this country than I do about completely changing the goals bjo59 May 2016 #42

perfectly said. Give me the wrecking ball AND a bulldozer ericson00 May 2016 #63

Excellent point: Clinton unified the various factions for Victory. Octafish May 2016 #80

Yet Democrats controlled Congress Larkspur May 2016 #82

Absolutely spot on 2banon May 2016 #4

I don't vote Democratic to go along with the GOP. Octafish May 2016 #35

K&R - great post Ferd Berfel May 2016 #6

Watch Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and Phil Gramm Have a Love Fest Over Repeal of Glass Steagall Octafish May 2016 #81

IT's a fucking fascist wet dream Ferd Berfel May 2016 #89

This was my opinion before I saw this article. tabasco May 2016 #10

I think of the Clintons and the DLC/Third Way/"New" Democrats as Vichy Democrats dflprincess May 2016 #68

Thank you for posting this, Octafish. K&R Hiraeth May 2016 #11

George Carlin said it best. Rex May 2016 #13

His analysis is correct -- But I don't agree with his fatalism Armstead May 2016 #28

I agree I do not think we must be heading off a cliff. Rex May 2016 #31

I believe that a time to change won't always be available and that a time when change becomes bjo59 May 2016 #44

That Time May Have Passed Octafish May 2016 #75

If ... Scuba May 2016 #14

Up until now, at least. vintx May 2016 #15

that's why Trump's dangerous--he's a deranged fascistic RINO who tells people what they MisterP May 2016 #21

Yes but sadly the Left seeks Democracy while the Right seeks fascism. rhett o rick May 2016 #72

Yep. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #33

K&R amborin May 2016 #16

Clintons looked good after BushI felix_numinous May 2016 #17

k&r nationalize the fed May 2016 #18

TRUTH. Clinton and Al From sold the Democrats down the drain senz May 2016 #19

This is a great article, because it exposes what I never really understood about the Dem Neos Hydra May 2016 #23

And that's why it goes against everything America stands for. pdsimdars May 2016 #34

Oh please that is just ridiculous Demsrule86 May 2016 #26

We had the first sucessful mass strike by the Teamsters in 20 years with Clinton tirebiter May 2016 #29

Don't forget the newest adopted member of of the Bush family Doctor_J May 2016 #30

It doesn't matter so much how Bill did things, but how Hillary will do things. highprincipleswork May 2016 #36

'A concerted FDR style, Progressive Democratic Party' = Landslide Octafish May 2016 #37

I agree!!! And why's it so hard to get behind that in general and keep it real and solid? highprincipleswork May 2016 #38

Thank you for this post. blue neen May 2016 #39

Thank you! highprincipleswork May 2016 #40

Agreed. blue neen May 2016 #45

Did Thomas Frank actually say those words "It's Bill Clinton Who Wrecked the Democratic Party"? blue neen May 2016 #41

It sums up: Clinton reversed FDR, helping banks and powerful over workers and poor. Octafish May 2016 #46

Yes or no. blue neen May 2016 #47

What quote? That is a title to the video. Octafish May 2016 #50

It's a shame you chose to resort to personal attacks, rather than answering a respectful question. blue neen May 2016 #65

How is pointing out that you support Hillary a personal attack? Octafish May 2016 #77

Thomas Frank, like a lot of American White Leftists, constantly ignore race as a factor Yavin4 May 2016 #43

Not more than a dimes difference nolabels May 2016 #49

Another Demsrule86 May 2016 #57

wrong -- the party abandoned workers of all races nashville_brook May 2016 #59

Wait just a minute. The Clintons sold the AA community down the river for cash. rhett o rick May 2016 #73

True, but he didn't do it alone. Alex4Martinez May 2016 #48

Why are we discussing Bill when it's Hillary that's running? hedgehog May 2016 #52

Because she floated having him 840high May 2016 #55

Why add gasoline to the fire? hedgehog May 2016 #90

Tell Hillary that. 840high May 2016 #91

Ruined, subverted, undermined, sold, used, enriched himself with, disgraced. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #60

KnR.nt m-lekktor May 2016 #64

Behold the cold, hard truth that only time has revealed, and tough for so many to accept. seafan May 2016 #67

of course he did, along with the other members of the DLC. nt antigop May 2016 #69

Yep portlander23 May 2016 #71

Thank you Monica, for saving Social Security n/t eridani May 2016 #74

K&R. dchill May 2016 #76

K&R! Katashi_itto May 2016 #78

Kicked and recommended! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #79

Kick and Recommend. nt. polly7 May 2016 #83

Would that be the same Democratic party that he made relevant again and managed to lead Beacool May 2016 #86

Carter was sabotaged by Poppy Bush and CIA Octafish May 2016 #87