2016 Postmortem

Recursion

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19. But are people actually fucked?

Reply to Vote2016 (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 10:42 PM

May 2016

What's an actual metric by which, say, the bottom 80% are worse off today than they were, say, 25 years ago?

(Or pick a different group than the bottom 80%, or a different time frame than 25 years; that would be fine too -- I just think people are way too willing to assert that things are getting worse without actually backing that claim up, because the numbers seem to show the opposite.)

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Many people in this economy are fucked, and they just want the fucking to stop. [View all] Vote2016 May 2016 OP

2. They hear Hillary says the fucking in the new normal so get used to it. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1

Exactly ... They got theirs, everybody else can piss off... Yurovsky May 2016 #39

The 1% Have Been Fleecing The 99% For Centuries - It Is High Time Their Power Was Destroyed cantbeserious May 2016 #2

It's been going on for centuries but it has gotten dramatically worse in the past 4 decades: Vote2016 May 2016 #3

Absolutely - All So True - All So Related - All So Real cantbeserious May 2016 #4

It was even worse in the 1920's under republicans before FDR. pampango May 2016 #12

"...the past 4 decades" Ferd Berfel May 2016 #24

I don't know any democrat Bernie supporters who would vote for Trump whatchamacallit May 2016 #5

Sometimes you have to burn it down if it's rotten enough.. tokenlib May 2016 #8

There will be many who write-in Bernie, vote 3rd party, or stay home whatchamacallit May 2016 #9

GTFOHWTBS JaneyVee May 2016 #40

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant May 2016 #49

Yeap, burn the village down to save it.. where have people heard that before?! uponit7771 May 2016 #53

In the medieval days it was the king's soldiers.. speaktruthtopower May 2016 #6

Don't expect the fucking to stop because of one new president. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #7

That would likely be true of any candidate except Sanders and any campaign... Peace Patriot May 2016 #10

I agree, but even with Sanders, his presidency would just be one step in a longer journey Vote2016 May 2016 #14

Then you don't realize that the causes of inequality won't be fixed by a President... Sancho May 2016 #63

Baby steps Vote2016 May 2016 #11

It is telling that one of Hillary's most vocal supporters here is an upper-middle class woman... Odin2005 May 2016 #13

Who? I assumed they were all Brock-funded hacks. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #15

Check your PMs. Odin2005 May 2016 #16

One thing that the rich fear most is the bottom 99% with torches and pitchforks AZ Progressive May 2016 #25

I thought that is why they build yuppie castles with turrets in suburbia. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #26

About the only thing you can count on is this.. BadGimp May 2016 #17

True Vote2016 May 2016 #18

But are people actually fucked? Recursion May 2016 #19

Numbers, numbers,numbers..... Armstead May 2016 #21

The city I grew up in had a completely boarded up downtown in the 1980s Recursion May 2016 #23

math math math, reality reality reality uponit7771 May 2016 #54

Do you think everything is hunky dory? Armstead May 2016 #59

few if any adults think there's nothing to improve on, that goes without saying but to consummately uponit7771 May 2016 #61

I don't understand what you mean Armstead May 2016 #64

You just say the same thing over and over My Good Babushka May 2016 #28

So it's "not better enough", rather than "worse", you agree? Recursion May 2016 #29

I admire you for hanging your optimism on that one measure My Good Babushka May 2016 #30

Hmmm Recursion May 2016 #31

You are aware how long a human life span is? My Good Babushka May 2016 #32

It's the same thing with crime, though: people are very strongly convinced crime is up. It's not Recursion May 2016 #36

Oh man... Turin_C3PO May 2016 #48

Wow! That's nuts. Vote2016 May 2016 #33

So then it should be easy to name specific and concrete ways Recursion May 2016 #34

Of course: Vote2016 May 2016 #35

Is that worse? Recursion May 2016 #37

If you know how to read a graph, you wouldn't have to ask that question. Vote2016 May 2016 #41

Well, no: you're assuming inequality is per se harmful, without justifying that Recursion May 2016 #42

It seems that you are unclear about the significance of the graph's bar that dips below zero. Vote2016 May 2016 #44

No, I mentioned it: wages since 2000 have fallen during expansions and risen during recessions Recursion May 2016 #45

Ok, now we come to the thrust of your ideology My Good Babushka May 2016 #58

I'll take me and 15 years and I know I'm hoping in the next year or two to get back in TheKentuckian May 2016 #46

Change to Service Economy under Reagan One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #70

Not "again".....Still. ...It's just a continuation Armstead May 2016 #20

Presumably they think that President Obama is fucking them? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #22

I presume they think the economy is fucking them and Obama isn't doing enough to stop the fucking Vote2016 May 2016 #27

At the risk of sounding crass... Barack_America May 2016 #38

Unfortunately, it's not just "unabated;" it's somewhat accelerated: Vote2016 May 2016 #43

This needs a fucking K&R. nt silvershadow May 2016 #47

Thanks Vote2016 May 2016 #50

Thanks for the chart deepestblue May 2016 #51

And another fucking K&R nt Live and Learn May 2016 #52

How much power do you think the president has? auntpurl May 2016 #55

Thats the shame of the Sanders campaign is to concentrate the focus on him vs congress uponit7771 May 2016 #56

If the president had as much power imbued in the office auntpurl May 2016 #57

Sorry, I don't see Bernie supporters voting for Trump. They may sit the presidential B Calm May 2016 #60

That's because you are applying a liberal vs. conservative dividing line on the race. Some people - Vote2016 May 2016 #65

Actually the way I see it, the only winners here are Hillary supporters. If the B Calm May 2016 #66

We don't even get dinner or a drink .... TheFarS1de May 2016 #62

I don't know any Sanders supporter that would vote for Trump. hobbit709 May 2016 #67

That's because you are probably well educated and financially secure and most of your friends fall i Vote2016 May 2016 #68

I get $968/mo from Social Security. I might make $300/mo more on the side. yep. I'm a 1%er. hobbit709 May 2016 #69