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Baobab

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43. Here is some really good, informative proof, everybody please read this
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016
Trading Lives: Democracy, Health Care and Trade in Services (2007 - 59 pages)


On Page 7 - seven

it says the following:


If the plan... ...there is a greater risk that...

Creates a new provider in the health care market and subsidizes its consumers

This has the potential to take customers away from private insurers
and may provoke a challenge from associations of health insurance
companies. The plan may be particularly vulnerable to a challenge
from a foreign investor on the grounds of “expropriation” of profits.

Requires the purchase of public insurance

Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been “expropriated”. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions that allow foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of changes in government
policy.

Creates a new independent body

How is the power delegated, is this objective? Who serves on the
body, is it representative of key stakeholders? Does it work in a
“transparent” way? These terms are ambiguous, yet form the core of
domestic disciplines on the GATS (General Agreement on Trade in
Services). For example, Maine’s ‘Dirigo’ plan has a unique funding
(savings offset) mechanism where money saved by other insurers as
a result of the plan is repaid to fund Dirigo. Opponents have (so far
unsuccessfully) argued that the mechanism favors Dirigo over other
insurers, and that the legislative basis for delegating power in this
way is too vague, arguments which could be used in a challenge
under GATS rules.

Creates new technical or
licensing standards

Are they “transparent”, “objective” and “appropriate to the service”? If
not, they risk challenges from WTO members under GATS rules.
These terms are ambiguous and yet to be clearly defined.

Expands Medicare, Medicaid or
SCHIP

Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been “expropriated”. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions allowing foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of a change in government
policy.


Mandates importation of prescription drugs or advocates cost containment measures for
prescription drugs


Given their history of opposition to state formularies, big
pharmaceutical companies might either argue that formularies violate
current trade rules or seek to insert similar provisions in current or
future bilateral agreements. These provisions could well serve as a
basis to challenge any US law authorizing the reimportation of drugs.

Requires providers to take a certain legal form e.g. must be non-profit

Makes it more likely that the new system would be challenged by a
foreign government under GATS rules.

Requires a state to procure health services locally
Trade rules on procurement could prevent states from adopting ‘Buy
American’ policies that attempt to boost local economies.

Is anticipated by the federal, state or local government to violate US trade commitments
Arguments may be made for dropping a reform plan based on
incompatibility with trade commitments, or funding may be withheld
for this reason.

Provides truly universal health care

Any plan with the potential to expand public provision on a large scale
could be seen as breaking the spirit of US trade commitments, and
would be at risk. The plan could be challenged on grounds that it
establishes a de facto monopoly to provide health services, giving the
plan an unfair advantage. Regardless of the likelihood of this
scenario, the threat is that opponents of universal health care would
try to use ‘incompatibility with trade commitments’ as an argument
against universal health care.









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Source of the document-

AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION EDUCATION FUND
1625 K STREET NW, SUITE 210, WASHINGTON, DC 20006 PHONE 202-785-5980 FAX 202-785-5969


TRADING LIVES: DEMOCRACY, HEALTH CARE,
AND TRADE IN SERVICES


Holly Jarman
John Kenneth Galbraith Public Policy Fellow

August 2007
FactCheck says you're wrong. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #1
...... Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #3
And this poster knows that, yet is till posting lies! Also claiming trade deals killed SCHIP when bettyellen May 2016 #5
The rules are very complicated but they include a "standstill" on new finacial services Baobab May 2016 #12
CHIP is an ongoing program that has been expanded in the years past your citations. Period. bettyellen May 2016 #13
But in 1994-1995 Biil Clinton signed GATS, and GATS threatens SCHIP, Medicare and Medicaid Baobab May 2016 #46
Here is some really good, informative proof, everybody please read this Baobab May 2016 #43
Wait, I thought lobbyists were bad? Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #55
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #51
If Clinton was agin it, why did he sign it into law in 1997? Hoyt May 2016 #2
Maybe because the Understanding on Committment in Financial Services was right around the corner Baobab May 2016 #14
More likely, it is the best health care reform they could get at the time -- for children. Hoyt May 2016 #27
Hoyt, this is your golden opportunity, what is good about GATS? Baobab May 2016 #29
Why are you and perhaps a few others seemingly the only persons who see my posts about trade deals. Baobab May 2016 #30
No one understands your posts about GATS, nor does anyone believe a law passed in the 1990s will Hoyt May 2016 #33
You're trying to portray me as some kind of outlier but the fact is, these deals are opposed Baobab May 2016 #34
Not trying to portray you as anything. You asked my opinion why no one reads your posts on GATS. Hoyt May 2016 #36
Hoyt, I was talking about robots. About our creating new life Baobab May 2016 #40
Hillary created SCHIP Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #4
She created it with some help? Evidence please. nt vintx May 2016 #8
What the Hillary supporters mean by that is that at one point Hillary must have said she was strong pdsimdars May 2016 #32
What amounts to a global war on children's health for big corpos began under Clints Baobab May 2016 #25
CHIP still exists and has been EXPANDED despite your eight year old link saying it is doomed. OP is bettyellen May 2016 #6
Thats not what Nick Skalas's paper says - READ IT. Why are you so afraid of it? Baobab May 2016 #18
Why are you arguing CHIP is not successful or has been expanded? Facts are stubborn things. bettyellen May 2016 #22
If you can find the Baucus hearings from 2009, buried in there there are some very imteresting Baobab May 2016 #35
There are dozens of Finance committee hearings on health care karynnj May 2016 #60
This article supports your recollection: vintx May 2016 #7
Kennedy gave her a whole lot of credit for CHIP, until he was backing Obama after which he soft bettyellen May 2016 #16
Post the citations vintx May 2016 #17
"program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it " EM Kennedy bettyellen May 2016 #19
They did say in their article that it was politics that caused the lack of support in the first go vintx May 2016 #24
I'm not taking Orrin Hatch or Mc Caine's words over Kennedy or HRC's. YMMV. bettyellen May 2016 #26
Ive attempted to explain GATS a number of times-its a global agenda Baobab May 2016 #37
Nope, CHIP and minimum wage are here to stay.... bettyellen May 2016 #47
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #48
Minimum wage will be increased in a year as long as Trump does not win. The crap you post is not bettyellen May 2016 #49
They were pushing GATS, which literally eliminates the rights to health and education for corporatio Baobab May 2016 #28
He always gave her credit for supporting it karynnj May 2016 #61
Im surprised Factcheck would not clarify that too, but thanks for the fuller explanation. bettyellen May 2016 #62
A good book by a Kennedy aide, Nick Littlefield, gives a lot of back story karynnj May 2016 #63
Arrant nonsense. Sparkly May 2016 #9
The trade policy picture is complicated. Which is shown by this document from Maine. Baobab May 2016 #21
Paraphrase it for me, please? Sparkly May 2016 #52
'Medicare for All "will NEVER come to pass".' dchill May 2016 #10
Get the quote right. Sparkly May 2016 #11
Thanks. dchill May 2016 #15
"program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it" -Edward Kennedy bettyellen May 2016 #20
It does if you read the words. Sparkly May 2016 #53
No, you THINK it does. dchill May 2016 #57
You "remember this" but can;t find a single citation to back up her "opposition". Shame on you. bettyellen May 2016 #23
Countries cannot propose or maintain any law or policy that is inconsistent with the FTA Baobab May 2016 #39
Would imply? It is not happening. And not going to, all these years later. bettyellen May 2016 #44
This shows what I am talking about, if you look at page 7 Baobab May 2016 #45
They have been pretty much on the wrong side of everything. pdsimdars May 2016 #31
It is not true Demsrule86 May 2016 #42
k&r nt bananas May 2016 #38
Why lie? Demsrule86 May 2016 #41
In fact if you read about teh GATS trade deal in 1994, you'll see that it conflicts with SCHIP Baobab May 2016 #50
A wall of blue links doesn't change the fact that CHIP/SCHIP have been increased, not decreased Recursion May 2016 #58
That is lame completely lame Demsrule86 May 2016 #59
It's all he has. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #56
Orwellian disinformation ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #54
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