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In reply to the discussion: The Clinton Administration OPPOSED SCHIP. People here are trying to re-spin the history of SCHIP. [View all]Baobab
(4,667 posts)43. Here is some really good, informative proof, everybody please read this
Trading Lives: Democracy, Health Care and Trade in Services (2007 - 59 pages)
On Page 7 - seven
it says the following:
If the plan... ...there is a greater risk that...
Creates a new provider in the health care market and subsidizes its consumers
This has the potential to take customers away from private insurers
and may provoke a challenge from associations of health insurance
companies. The plan may be particularly vulnerable to a challenge
from a foreign investor on the grounds of expropriation of profits.
Requires the purchase of public insurance
Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been expropriated. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions that allow foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of changes in government
policy.
Creates a new independent body
How is the power delegated, is this objective? Who serves on the
body, is it representative of key stakeholders? Does it work in a
transparent way? These terms are ambiguous, yet form the core of
domestic disciplines on the GATS (General Agreement on Trade in
Services). For example, Maines Dirigo plan has a unique funding
(savings offset) mechanism where money saved by other insurers as
a result of the plan is repaid to fund Dirigo. Opponents have (so far
unsuccessfully) argued that the mechanism favors Dirigo over other
insurers, and that the legislative basis for delegating power in this
way is too vague, arguments which could be used in a challenge
under GATS rules.
Creates new technical or
licensing standards
Are they transparent, objective and appropriate to the service? If
not, they risk challenges from WTO members under GATS rules.
These terms are ambiguous and yet to be clearly defined.
Expands Medicare, Medicaid or
SCHIP
Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been expropriated. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions allowing foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of a change in government
policy.
Mandates importation of prescription drugs or advocates cost containment measures for
prescription drugs
Given their history of opposition to state formularies, big
pharmaceutical companies might either argue that formularies violate
current trade rules or seek to insert similar provisions in current or
future bilateral agreements. These provisions could well serve as a
basis to challenge any US law authorizing the reimportation of drugs.
Requires providers to take a certain legal form e.g. must be non-profit
Makes it more likely that the new system would be challenged by a
foreign government under GATS rules.
Requires a state to procure health services locally
Trade rules on procurement could prevent states from adopting Buy
American policies that attempt to boost local economies.
Is anticipated by the federal, state or local government to violate US trade commitments
Arguments may be made for dropping a reform plan based on
incompatibility with trade commitments, or funding may be withheld
for this reason.
Provides truly universal health care
Any plan with the potential to expand public provision on a large scale
could be seen as breaking the spirit of US trade commitments, and
would be at risk. The plan could be challenged on grounds that it
establishes a de facto monopoly to provide health services, giving the
plan an unfair advantage. Regardless of the likelihood of this
scenario, the threat is that opponents of universal health care would
try to use incompatibility with trade commitments as an argument
against universal health care.
-------
Source of the document-
AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION EDUCATION FUND
1625 K STREET NW, SUITE 210, WASHINGTON, DC 20006 PHONE 202-785-5980 FAX 202-785-5969
TRADING LIVES: DEMOCRACY, HEALTH CARE,
AND TRADE IN SERVICES
Holly Jarman
John Kenneth Galbraith Public Policy Fellow
August 2007
On Page 7 - seven
it says the following:
If the plan... ...there is a greater risk that...
Creates a new provider in the health care market and subsidizes its consumers
This has the potential to take customers away from private insurers
and may provoke a challenge from associations of health insurance
companies. The plan may be particularly vulnerable to a challenge
from a foreign investor on the grounds of expropriation of profits.
Requires the purchase of public insurance
Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been expropriated. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions that allow foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of changes in government
policy.
Creates a new independent body
How is the power delegated, is this objective? Who serves on the
body, is it representative of key stakeholders? Does it work in a
transparent way? These terms are ambiguous, yet form the core of
domestic disciplines on the GATS (General Agreement on Trade in
Services). For example, Maines Dirigo plan has a unique funding
(savings offset) mechanism where money saved by other insurers as
a result of the plan is repaid to fund Dirigo. Opponents have (so far
unsuccessfully) argued that the mechanism favors Dirigo over other
insurers, and that the legislative basis for delegating power in this
way is too vague, arguments which could be used in a challenge
under GATS rules.
Creates new technical or
licensing standards
Are they transparent, objective and appropriate to the service? If
not, they risk challenges from WTO members under GATS rules.
These terms are ambiguous and yet to be clearly defined.
Expands Medicare, Medicaid or
SCHIP
Foreign investors could challenge the new system on the grounds
that their profits have been expropriated. US agreements based on
the NAFTA model contain investment provisions allowing foreign
investors to claim compensation from the US government for lost
profits and potential lost profits as a result of a change in government
policy.
Mandates importation of prescription drugs or advocates cost containment measures for
prescription drugs
Given their history of opposition to state formularies, big
pharmaceutical companies might either argue that formularies violate
current trade rules or seek to insert similar provisions in current or
future bilateral agreements. These provisions could well serve as a
basis to challenge any US law authorizing the reimportation of drugs.
Requires providers to take a certain legal form e.g. must be non-profit
Makes it more likely that the new system would be challenged by a
foreign government under GATS rules.
Requires a state to procure health services locally
Trade rules on procurement could prevent states from adopting Buy
American policies that attempt to boost local economies.
Is anticipated by the federal, state or local government to violate US trade commitments
Arguments may be made for dropping a reform plan based on
incompatibility with trade commitments, or funding may be withheld
for this reason.
Provides truly universal health care
Any plan with the potential to expand public provision on a large scale
could be seen as breaking the spirit of US trade commitments, and
would be at risk. The plan could be challenged on grounds that it
establishes a de facto monopoly to provide health services, giving the
plan an unfair advantage. Regardless of the likelihood of this
scenario, the threat is that opponents of universal health care would
try to use incompatibility with trade commitments as an argument
against universal health care.
-------
Source of the document-
AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION EDUCATION FUND
1625 K STREET NW, SUITE 210, WASHINGTON, DC 20006 PHONE 202-785-5980 FAX 202-785-5969
TRADING LIVES: DEMOCRACY, HEALTH CARE,
AND TRADE IN SERVICES
Holly Jarman
John Kenneth Galbraith Public Policy Fellow
August 2007
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The Clinton Administration OPPOSED SCHIP. People here are trying to re-spin the history of SCHIP. [View all]
Baobab
May 2016
OP
And this poster knows that, yet is till posting lies! Also claiming trade deals killed SCHIP when
bettyellen
May 2016
#5
The rules are very complicated but they include a "standstill" on new finacial services
Baobab
May 2016
#12
CHIP is an ongoing program that has been expanded in the years past your citations. Period.
bettyellen
May 2016
#13
But in 1994-1995 Biil Clinton signed GATS, and GATS threatens SCHIP, Medicare and Medicaid
Baobab
May 2016
#46
Maybe because the Understanding on Committment in Financial Services was right around the corner
Baobab
May 2016
#14
More likely, it is the best health care reform they could get at the time -- for children.
Hoyt
May 2016
#27
Why are you and perhaps a few others seemingly the only persons who see my posts about trade deals.
Baobab
May 2016
#30
No one understands your posts about GATS, nor does anyone believe a law passed in the 1990s will
Hoyt
May 2016
#33
You're trying to portray me as some kind of outlier but the fact is, these deals are opposed
Baobab
May 2016
#34
Not trying to portray you as anything. You asked my opinion why no one reads your posts on GATS.
Hoyt
May 2016
#36
What the Hillary supporters mean by that is that at one point Hillary must have said she was strong
pdsimdars
May 2016
#32
What amounts to a global war on children's health for big corpos began under Clints
Baobab
May 2016
#25
CHIP still exists and has been EXPANDED despite your eight year old link saying it is doomed. OP is
bettyellen
May 2016
#6
Why are you arguing CHIP is not successful or has been expanded? Facts are stubborn things.
bettyellen
May 2016
#22
If you can find the Baucus hearings from 2009, buried in there there are some very imteresting
Baobab
May 2016
#35
Kennedy gave her a whole lot of credit for CHIP, until he was backing Obama after which he soft
bettyellen
May 2016
#16
"program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it " EM Kennedy
bettyellen
May 2016
#19
They did say in their article that it was politics that caused the lack of support in the first go
vintx
May 2016
#24
Minimum wage will be increased in a year as long as Trump does not win. The crap you post is not
bettyellen
May 2016
#49
They were pushing GATS, which literally eliminates the rights to health and education for corporatio
Baobab
May 2016
#28
Im surprised Factcheck would not clarify that too, but thanks for the fuller explanation.
bettyellen
May 2016
#62
The trade policy picture is complicated. Which is shown by this document from Maine.
Baobab
May 2016
#21
"program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it" -Edward Kennedy
bettyellen
May 2016
#20
You "remember this" but can;t find a single citation to back up her "opposition". Shame on you.
bettyellen
May 2016
#23
Countries cannot propose or maintain any law or policy that is inconsistent with the FTA
Baobab
May 2016
#39
In fact if you read about teh GATS trade deal in 1994, you'll see that it conflicts with SCHIP
Baobab
May 2016
#50