2016 Postmortem

northernsouthern

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180. Lol, they are far more accurate than the primary.

Fri May 13, 2016, 01:40 AM

May 2016

They showed Obama beating McCain for the majority of the election in 2008...but Hillary pretty much tied with McCain. The primaries are not statically relevant as they block many voters, many do not turn out, and they are given far less importance.

But if you like I did a google search just for you, here is one of the many articles about how you are 100% wrong. The Primary holds far less weight than actual polls, again you need to read in to how polls are conducted and how primaries are. One is done to get the most accurate information (with in it bias) and the other is paid for by the Hillary Victory funds and is basically a sham in many respects.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/mar/06/david-brooks/david-brooks-said-primary-turnout-doesnt-predict-g/

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So what Bernie is essentially saying is -- [View all] pnwmom May 2016 OP

Bernie is just another politician redstateblues May 2016 #1

Yup...his ego is obviously in control. anotherproletariat May 2016 #8

You were never sympathetic, don't kid yourself. JPnoodleman May 2016 #22

True, it's hard to be totally sympathetic as a 1%er... nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #24

JP, "fealty?" What's in your head? Hortensis May 2016 #88

Fealty??? Have you lost your mind? I swear fealty to no one - not Hillary or Bernie. Stand and Fight May 2016 #141

I said similar yesterday, Nader and Sanders seem very self centered and non team players uponit7771 May 2016 #47

yeah he's not on the Monsanto/Goldman/Comcast/UBS/Clinton team Armstead May 2016 #74

In effect Demsrule86 May 2016 #75

I'm glad you exhibit such "kindness and love" towards a legitimate Democratic candidate who.... Armstead May 2016 #82

He wants to overturn Demsrule86 May 2016 #163

Clinton said similar things in 2008 -- and the primary is still going on Armstead May 2016 #164

Yeap, a notable number of Sanders folk will vote for Trump too... not really impressed with the left uponit7771 May 2016 #86

At least you're honest. You, like your Clinton supporters are not left leaning. nm floriduck May 2016 #109

sanctimonious much? uponit7771 May 2016 #117

Yup. Sparkly May 2016 #145

He's on the "we'll see" team in regards to supporting down ballot dems the rest of your post uponit7771 May 2016 #85

Yeah, I'm sure you really were "sympathetic" to the dirty hippies and commies on the left Armstead May 2016 #73

I'm not aware of the context of those terms, I'm too young but my exposure to the far left isn't uponit7771 May 2016 #87

If you're not aware of the context..... Armstead May 2016 #93

I did, still doesn't change the fact that in my life time the far left efforts have been pyric at... uponit7771 May 2016 #105

I'm right there with you. Sparkly May 2016 #153

What is this constant nonsensical zero-context preaching about "The Left?" Sparkly May 2016 #146

I'm not the one who was sniping at "the Left" Armstead May 2016 #148

Pardon me. Sparkly May 2016 #151

I am the one who said that-- Please read what i was responding to Armstead May 2016 #158

I can understand Sparkly May 2016 #160

All right...as my brother and i used to say after walloping each other...."Truce" Armstead May 2016 #161

I like both our candidates GulfCoast66 May 2016 #175

I am familiar with that plan and what happened Armstead May 2016 #182

Has anyone said otherwise? NWCorona May 2016 #16

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #45

Lol. Bitter. cali May 2016 #72

An average politician with all the accompanying flaws. Buzz Clik May 2016 #79

That's called Undemocratic Socialism Renew Deal May 2016 #2

Reminds me of someone in 2008 Armstead May 2016 #84

strawman GreatGazoo May 2016 #3

Bernie's strawman. Obnoxious, isn't it? Buzz Clik May 2016 #80

It sounds entirely reasonable to me. Ron Green May 2016 #4

Cool. So, in order to win, you encourage Bernie to rig the system in his favor. Oh, dear. Buzz Clik May 2016 #81

Let's not pretend the system is other than rigged now. Ron Green May 2016 #92

Unlike the rest of us who want our kids and grandkids to rot in an environmental and social hell. Buzz Clik May 2016 #95

To be honest I can't tell why anyone with grandkids would want Ron Green May 2016 #96

Yep. Mass suicide is the only solution. Buzz Clik May 2016 #97

Your sarcasm may work for you somehow, Ron Green May 2016 #98

WHY WHY WHY? seekthetruth May 2016 #156

Projection AgingAmerican May 2016 #131

You're clinging to that 6-week old article? He was 286 delegates down the day that was written. Buzz Clik May 2016 #133

But in order for yr caniddate Hillary to win, she is now truedelphi May 2016 #176

Can you hear the sirens of countless wahmbulances tonight? timmymoff May 2016 #5

Check the scoreboard, timmy. Buzz Clik May 2016 #83

Enjoy the two republican frontrunners timmymoff May 2016 #118

If Clinton is not a Democratic, and Sanders never has been, .... Buzz Clik May 2016 #120

Bernie Sanders is a small d Democrat AgingAmerican May 2016 #132

"Whatever that is." It's been in the political lexicon for 200 years. Buzz Clik May 2016 #134

What is the ideology of 'Moderate'? AgingAmerican May 2016 #135

Let me explain: Buzz Clik May 2016 #136

So you have no idea either... AgingAmerican May 2016 #138

No. It's time for you to do your own research. I don't play fetch. Buzz Clik May 2016 #139

I googled it AgingAmerican May 2016 #140

I googled "bullshit." Your picture popped up. How odd. Buzz Clik May 2016 #142

See for yourself... AgingAmerican May 2016 #143

One has democratic principles timmymoff May 2016 #144

Yep it's her turn. She has almost 300 more delegates than Bernie. She has around all american girl May 2016 #112

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #6

I second the strawman call nt AntiBank May 2016 #7

Bernie's strawman. Second away... Buzz Clik May 2016 #78

I think you need to look up the definition of strawman AntiBank May 2016 #99

It's not a false premise -- it's what Sanders said. Jeebus. Look it up. Buzz Clik May 2016 #101

no, it's a strawman argument because it is laden with false logical fallicies AntiBank May 2016 #103

Hey -- I just noticed. Your tenth post at DU was in response to me! Buzz Clik May 2016 #104

thanks for being my tenth AntiBank May 2016 #108

Question: How are "women, African Americans and Hispanic people" emotion? apnu May 2016 #115

What you are essentially saying: Fuck the elections drop out now losers Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #9

What the OP is essentially saying ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #10

"who once vehemently railed against the idea of SDs ignoring the will of the people" pat_k May 2016 #11

Here you go mythology May 2016 #15

Where's the vehement railing? pat_k May 2016 #39

He also said SwampG8r May 2016 #94

I ask again, where's the "vehement railing." pat_k May 2016 #119

The nomination process is rife with undemocratic aspects. morningfog May 2016 #17

All of that being said ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #25

I think Bernie's saying what he's always said. Jack Bone May 2016 #35

That doesn't answer the question. NanceGreggs May 2016 #38

I don't have a crystal ball.. Jack Bone May 2016 #41

In other words ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #43

Yes in states w/ +20% margins, Bernie considers that Jack Bone May 2016 #50

I'll try once more ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #53

I'll try.. Jack Bone May 2016 #60

What he's "always said" ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #61

If he wins the nomination...guess what? Jack Bone May 2016 #63

or the willingness to answer a straight forward question either. Sanders is a hypocrite period EOS uponit7771 May 2016 #48

I would recommend not voting for him then. chwaliszewski May 2016 #55

HRC has the PD and will remain the front runner with it. Iliyah May 2016 #12

The Superdelegates supporting Clinton are authoritarian neofascist oligarchs. baldguy May 2016 #13

Quote? cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #14

but, it is okay if those super delegates vote for Hillary. you are alright with that. got it. Hiraeth May 2016 #18

Bernie wants to have it both ways. pnwmom May 2016 #19

your math is screwy. Hiraeth May 2016 #23

Hillary's situation could change a lot between now and the convention. JDPriestly May 2016 #29

And so could his. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #30

He is not under an FBI investigation and hasn't taken a lot of money from people. JDPriestly May 2016 #37

How do you know? pnwmom May 2016 #40

Do you have any reason at all to think he is? JDPriestly May 2016 #42

Cali posted this. pnwmom May 2016 #46

So do you support the Super-Duper Delegat system or not? It was designed to rhett o rick May 2016 #20

Hand him the nomination "based on the polls"? oasis May 2016 #21

Actually they denote trends, and it is denoting that she is losing despite all of the claims... northernsouthern May 2016 #34

The poll which counts now is over three million ahead in votes, a poll you can count on. Thinkingabout May 2016 #128

WRONG. northernsouthern May 2016 #162

Hillary has the most votes, no games, no lies, BTW, it was three million more than Sanders. Thinkingabout May 2016 #169

You do know that is not how a poll works right? northernsouthern May 2016 #170

Polling places, maybe you don't know what a polling place is, polling places where elections are Thinkingabout May 2016 #171

Yeah again google is your friend. northernsouthern May 2016 #174

As I say the most important poll has taken place in many states, pledged delegates have been Thinkingabout May 2016 #178

Lol, they are far more accurate than the primary. northernsouthern May 2016 #180

Ohh that is so cute... Silver_Witch May 2016 #26

Hillary supporters have always thought that the votes of super delegates were important pnwmom May 2016 #27

And therein lies the difficulty they have. Their flawed LuvLoogie May 2016 #36

Please let us who live in California vote like everybody else has. JDPriestly May 2016 #28

Sanders is a super delegate tirebiter May 2016 #31

#BernieLogic. ucrdem May 2016 #32

Wow you love to waive that minority flag don't you. northernsouthern May 2016 #33

exactly, progressive my ass... he's acting just like the people he demagogues regularly uponit7771 May 2016 #44

gender card, hispandering and race card all played at once? Betty Karlson May 2016 #49

No. There is a large gender gap, with women strongly supporting Hillary. pnwmom May 2016 #52

Sorry, but your talking points seem to be outdated by now. Betty Karlson May 2016 #54

If it "seems" that way to you, it's because you can't count. pnwmom May 2016 #56

And we are back to that mythical creature called math. Which is part of the Cult of Saint Hillary. Betty Karlson May 2016 #57

The critical difference: Hillary won't have to "flip" any of Bernie's 39 supers to cross the finish pnwmom May 2016 #58

Nobody has GOT supers. That's the point about Supers: they are uncommitted. Betty Karlson May 2016 #59

The supers have had months to switch to Bernie. Face it. They're not interested, no matter pnwmom May 2016 #62

Supers justify themselves by preventing disaster candidates. If they fail to do so this year, Betty Karlson May 2016 #64

LOLOLOL They wouldn't have endorsed her if they thought she was a "disaster candidate." pnwmom May 2016 #65

And now we are back to comparing Trump with Sanders. Just low. Betty Karlson May 2016 #100

None of them are saying that. Sparkly May 2016 #147

They will vote for the one with the most delegates Demsrule86 May 2016 #166

not in indiana quaker bill May 2016 #67

Nationally. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #68

Results of closed primaries mean 0 to me. basselope May 2016 #51

You don't get to make up the rules as you go along Demsrule86 May 2016 #76

Clinton did. basselope May 2016 #110

She did no such thing Demsrule86 May 2016 #114

Of course she did. basselope May 2016 #116

Which candidate has won more open primaries? JoePhilly May 2016 #90

Bernie. basselope May 2016 #111

open primaries DLCWIdem May 2016 #172

what he is actually saying is quaker bill May 2016 #66

No, he's actually saying "let everyone vote -- and then go by what the polls say." n/t pnwmom May 2016 #69

you mean kinda like signing up for Team Hill quaker bill May 2016 #70

Nope. He's waiting till she has a majority of pledged delegates and then he thinks pnwmom May 2016 #71

But what's voting got to do with it? quaker bill May 2016 #121

They were free then and they are free now -- to do what they want, which is to vote for Hillary pnwmom May 2016 #122

This is true, but there is no reason one cannot offer an argument quaker bill May 2016 #123

He can ask but he's deceiving his followers into thinking that he will succeed. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #124

I am not deceived. quaker bill May 2016 #125

Many young people are being deceived into sending donations to a campaign pnwmom May 2016 #126

Do you only support Hillary because she is winning? quaker bill May 2016 #129

... based on the polls he likes to believe, disregarding the majority of the polls. Buzz Clik May 2016 #77

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #89

Oy In_The_Wind May 2016 #137

Sanders is delusional Gothmog May 2016 #91

If that's the only thing you're getting out of what Bernie is saying than you're not listening EndElectoral May 2016 #102

He loves democracy, until he loses. CrowCityDem May 2016 #106

Well, that's Bernie! NurseJackie May 2016 #107

Perfectly consistent for a socialist admirer of Castro The Second Stone May 2016 #113

Are you trying to say Bernie is a communist? Or are you willfully ignoring the definition of jillan May 2016 #165

Please link or copy and paste your definition of "democratic socialism" The Second Stone May 2016 #168

Bernie Sanders has won 19 states. Aerows May 2016 #127

Too little too late redstateblues May 2016 #177

Clinton has won 22 + 3 others Guam N Marianas A Somoa DLCWIdem May 2016 #179

WRONG as always AgingAmerican May 2016 #130

Primary is not over yet PowerToThePeople May 2016 #149

Then I'll say goodbye now. pnwmom May 2016 #150

Democracy means not always getting what you want. Sparkly May 2016 #155

Uhm.....he kinda is. seekthetruth May 2016 #152

The caucus attenders do not represent all of Seattle. pnwmom May 2016 #154

Didn't Sanders take WA in a landslide? seekthetruth May 2016 #157

Yes, in a caucus landslide. And I've been fighting the non-inclusive, non-representative pnwmom May 2016 #159

I enjoy the hypocritical flip here Prism May 2016 #167

Weasel word "essentially" is the reveal on your OP. nt Bonobo May 2016 #173

No AgingAmerican May 2016 #181