2016 Postmortem

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)

46. "The fact that you personally don't like something is irrelevant."

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:25 AM

May 2016

Huh? It's relevant to me.

I don't like funding corrupt, elitist political parties. I do like funding libraries and schools. I don't like funding cluster bombs and NSA mass surveillance.

Opinions are just as relevant because this is a public forum designed to discuss these opinions, and for other purposes probably.

That's all I'm saying is that we shouldn't subsidize corrupt, elitist, anti-democratic political parties. Why is that a controversial statement at all?

You said

I'm a big supporter of publicly funded campaigns, even though I may not end up having my candidate in the race.

OK that's not exactly the same thing. It's similar, but not exactly the same. You can vote in the election. I agree we should probably do public financing of campaigns, because that's going to lead to a more fair and democratic election. But funding the two party monopoly is leading to the opposite result. And it's not just funding them. They have other legal and political advantages too.

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The Democratic Party is a membership organization. [View all] onehandle May 2016 OP

So it's an exclusive club now? AgingAmerican May 2016 #1

And evidently anyone who is not an adoring worshiper of the Anointed One is not allowed in. hobbit709 May 2016 #3

progressives not welcome... Yurovsky May 2016 #6

Try showing up at the voting booth instead. Pitchforks optional. JaneyVee May 2016 #8

So nobody should show up at the voting booth? AgingAmerican May 2016 #13

I showed up and voted. As for running... Yurovsky May 2016 #20

Primaries should be closed, but party declaration should be right up to the casting of a vote. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #51

Costco is an inclusive club. Wheres your outrage? JaneyVee May 2016 #7

Unlike COSTCO, joining the Democratic Party is FREE...just check that little box brooklynite May 2016 #9

So what's the fucking point of all this "real Democrat" shit? Armstead May 2016 #16

People pull that attitude over individual issues, why not party membership? ContinentalOp May 2016 #36

Because he is steady in his beliefs regardless of party identity Armstead May 2016 #43

How can you say he's steady in his beliefs? ContinentalOp May 2016 #45

What box? hobbit709 May 2016 #53

Maybe you should talk to your Secretary of State... brooklynite May 2016 #54

I've voted D in every election since 1972, mainly because the Democratic Party hobbit709 May 2016 #55

So the Democratic party is like Costco? AgingAmerican May 2016 #11

Sure, except its free to join. JaneyVee May 2016 #12

Yeah, sure it is - Hill-think 101: The Democratic party is a corporate entity AgingAmerican May 2016 #14

Union workers making good wages. JaneyVee May 2016 #17

Can you get a hotdog and drink at the Democratic party for only $2? AgingAmerican May 2016 #18

$55/year for membership in the Democratic Party? neverforget May 2016 #15

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is working on it as we think.... AgingAmerican May 2016 #19

Costco is one half of a duopoly that controls electoral politics in the country? TheKentuckian May 2016 #47

It isn't exclusive if anyone is allowed to join. gollygee May 2016 #57

Free Hotdogs AgingAmerican May 2016 #61

Yes mcar May 2016 #2

Then the party has to pay for it, sadoldgirl May 2016 #4

And I thought it was the big tent party, CrispyQ May 2016 #5

It is. Noone is stopping anyone from joining. onenote May 2016 #23

to be a member all you have to do is fill out a form and sign. no $ needed. nt msongs May 2016 #10

Such a simple concept. Easy! NurseJackie May 2016 #21

The 2 big political parties have an institutional monopoly on the political process. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #22

You have meaningful participation by voting in general elections. onenote May 2016 #24

Then the democracy is fake. Unless you join a private club, you may only get choice of two scumbags. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #25

Not at all. onenote May 2016 #27

Sounds good to me. TM99 May 2016 #29

Well at least we know where you stand on public financing. onenote May 2016 #31

Try again. TM99 May 2016 #38

We're looking at it totally different ways. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #30

No one's views are excluded since anyone can join the party. onenote May 2016 #33

I don't have problem with funding schools, even though I don't attend one. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #39

those people who are homeschooling their kid onenote May 2016 #42

"The fact that you personally don't like something is irrelevant." Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #46

nope- you just need to check a stinking box. to prevent you from voting in BOTH primaries- you need bettyellen May 2016 #32

It does take time. And you have to know the rules. In some states you have to check the box months Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #34

Naah, if you don't have enough interest or loyalty to stick with something six months, you are bettyellen May 2016 #35

This is why people hate the government and have no confidence in the system. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #44

People do not participate and then feel discounted... not such a smart plan. Change takes work- not bettyellen May 2016 #48

We have a two party system. Deal with it. NurseJackie May 2016 #40

You just said nothing. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #41

Let me try again ... NurseJackie May 2016 #50

Or how to guarantee that your party will commit suicide. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #26

And here is what's coming. TM99 May 2016 #28

And super delegate's votes are weighted. morningfog May 2016 #37

Most informative post ever! Live and Learn May 2016 #49

Apparently they are ALL members of the Democratic Party who are not Vinca May 2016 #52

If you're implying that the party has complete freedom to screen voters in primaries, you're wrong. Jim Lane May 2016 #56

Fortunately, in my state, we don't register by party and can be anything we say we are. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #58

But in the end, it's party members who cast the deciding votes at the convention. onehandle May 2016 #59

Not really. I've seen the party bosses shoot themselves in the foot many times. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #60

This is no different than Jim Crow era voting laws angrychair May 2016 #62