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CincyDem

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47. Thanks for the edit.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016


I appreciate that you guys haven't voted out there. Given the current climate, in spite of best efforts of prior states, it is highly likely that HRC is going to be the democratic nominee for president in 2016.

I hate to say it but I'm a pragmatist. When the ball was in my court, I did all that I could do to support a different primary candidate. I voted. I phone banked. I donated. But in the end, I didn't prevail. So, given the choice between HRC and any republican that draws breath, I pick HRC. Now some might call that rewarding bad behavior but I like to think of it as avoiding complete and total anarchy with the like of Trump, Cruz, Kasich (who I know well) or whomever else the rethugs decide to pull out of their racist, sexist, homophobic butts. I'm not going to stay home because that's as much a vote as going to the polls and punching up a republican.

As to your specific concerns, I don't disagree with you that it makes for a bumpier road and I'm not ready yet to label it "sinister". That's a word that I reserve for my enemies (and they usually have a capital R after their names). HRC isn't my enemy. She's my second choice and it a world of realities, sometimes second choice is the best choice given the facts on the ground.

I think we're a long way from really knowing the facts of what Powell or Rice may have "done". I'm sure that Bushco buried more than one computer out somewhere in the deep ocean for far more nefarious reasons. HRC is a republican lab specimen that's been under the microscope for 20 years. They've seen her coming for more than a decade. As a result, I think we tend to over focus on things that Republicans want us to focus on rather than thing that make her a democrat.

Is she the "best" democrat...maybe not...but she's OUR democrat and until we can wrap our minds around that, Republicans can go to bed every night with a little grin believing that their decades of anti-HRC messaging is coming home to roost.

Some will tell me I'm caving in, giving up, throwing in the towel and - as a result - I am complicit in the country's rightward move. Yeah, right. I call bullshit on that accusation. Complicity is staying home because you (in general, not you specifically) didn't have enough people on your side of the vote so you want to pout and "teach her a lesson". I think the tuition payment is too high to take that class.

I'm also reminded of the psychology study that found 80%+ of questions are really statements that the questioner doesn't really want to own. I don't find wiping the hard drives to be a problem and I don't have to wonder about it.

In all your wondering, have you come to any conclusions about why she might have a private company wipe it ?

Again, thanks for the edit and I hope none of this feels attacking. Not my intent.
WTF is right...is this Limpball's rant for the day? CincyDem May 2016 #1
Why could she not just do as Powell and Rice did? Why did she install her own private equipment? CentralCoaster May 2016 #2
Thanks for sharing that. CincyDem May 2016 #15
My bad! CentralCoaster May 2016 #23
Thanks for the edit. CincyDem May 2016 #47
And, by "her own private equipment" you meant that UNsecure, UNencrypted server pdsimdars May 2016 #29
IOKIYAC!!!!!!!!!! n/t mooseprime May 2016 #52
I hadn't thought about section G before... The FBI could very well be framing this as a *conspiracy* JudyM May 2016 #38
Do you seriously think Sanders has no baggage? brush May 2016 #61
Any voter worried about those things isn't voting for any Democrat. CentralCoaster May 2016 #64
Who do you think the bulk of voters are? They are Gen Xers and baby boomers who lived through . . . brush May 2016 #67
These Independents and same people who support Sanders now already know these things. CentralCoaster May 2016 #69
Independents are not a monolith. As I said, some are right-leaning and likely to go repug, some . . brush May 2016 #73
Sanders has a fanny-pack. Clinton has a truckload of steamer trunks. Scuba May 2016 #100
No but she did have the ambassodor's travel itinnerary in Libya on that server. pdsimdars May 2016 #28
OMG yes grasswire May 2016 #97
"Are we so blind" Kittycat May 2016 #3
We're expected to ignore it, and to reject the candidate with a better chance of beating the GOP. CentralCoaster May 2016 #6
From the timeline re: Powell 2cannan May 2016 #39
Thank you. That's light years different from what Clinton did. CentralCoaster May 2016 #44
Thanks for pointing this out! JudyM May 2016 #48
Who cares where the email server was physically located? YouDig May 2016 #4
From a security stand point. It's very important nt NWCorona May 2016 #5
Email is inherently insecure. YouDig May 2016 #9
Your post assumes a lot of facts facts that aren't in evidence. nt NWCorona May 2016 #12
And the evidence we have points to different conclusions, not good ones for the candidate. CentralCoaster May 2016 #21
At least if she had used a Google, Yahoo or MS email account there would have been more security. 2cannan May 2016 #31
That's arguable, and it might be the other way around. YouDig May 2016 #54
that statement isn't true lakeguy May 2016 #62
The server WAS hacked. Ever heard of Guccifer? Land of Enchantment May 2016 #42
It wasn't her server that was hacked. It was Blumenthal's aol account. YouDig May 2016 #50
The Romanian guy the FBI just extradicted said SEVERAL governments hacked her server... onecaliberal May 2016 #75
Link? YouDig May 2016 #77
Try reading things. It's everywhere. Why the hell do you think they extradicted him? onecaliberal May 2016 #80
So you just made that up. Figures. YouDig May 2016 #82
So you have NO CLUE what the actual facts in the case are. That COMPLETELY figures. #Blocked onecaliberal May 2016 #84
Actually I do. Which is why I asked you for a link. But there was no link. YouDig May 2016 #86
Her "Home" is a near fortress guarded by Secret Service, and State Dept security! mackdaddy May 2016 #36
But the server farm she moved it to didn't even have an alarm system nt NWCorona May 2016 #57
hence the internet getting wallpapered with "Rice and Powell also had separate email accounts!" MisterP May 2016 #7
Most powerful nation on the planet, head of state sez, "let's put a server in my basement". CentralCoaster May 2016 #8
And the practice was widely condemned by Democrats, including all of DU. arcane1 May 2016 #34
How is it really different from Colin Powell using a personal email account for government business? BootinUp May 2016 #10
Personal email accounts are managed, saved, archived on large commercial servers, not in your home. CentralCoaster May 2016 #13
Its not a hot mess, which is why nobody gives a crap except her haters. BootinUp May 2016 #18
She's already the weaker candidate in the GE. The GOP will use this to make her weaker. CentralCoaster May 2016 #20
I recommend you go to this website... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #66
Quite a few people give a crap. frylock May 2016 #76
And on the emergecy occassions they use a private email account they are required to copy it pdsimdars May 2016 #32
When they did it, DUers considered it a shady practice to avoid transparency. arcane1 May 2016 #40
According to reports I have seen BootinUp May 2016 #46
See Post #39. nt 2cannan May 2016 #41
What Rice and Powell did 2cannan May 2016 #68
What did Obama know and when did he know it Skink May 2016 #11
Libya: Obama Admits Clinton's "Greatest Moment" Was His "Worst Mistake" CentralCoaster May 2016 #27
Formef AG Mukasey said Obama said Hillary was careless with the emails, and previously she was pdsimdars May 2016 #35
We minimize this at our own peril. There's another way, a better way. CentralCoaster May 2016 #43
Ben Gawzi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leftofcool May 2016 #14
Do you know old Ben too? COLGATE4 May 2016 #49
You would think there would be more Democrats that see a problem. mmonk May 2016 #16
The e-mail account of the Secretary of State is hardly "the business of this country" Tarc May 2016 #17
Official business conducted over email is indeed "the business of this country" thesquanderer May 2016 #26
God is taking requests in your area now! Call before it's too late! randome May 2016 #19
Sanders lost. KingFlorez May 2016 #22
re: "And then having the gall to decide for us which emails to release and which to delete?" thesquanderer May 2016 #24
Why did she take the server to be wiped by a contractor before delivering it to the FBI? CentralCoaster May 2016 #30
Hey, did you know that when she left the Senate, somehow ALL the email from when she pdsimdars May 2016 #37
From the timeline 2cannan May 2016 #60
Should've used a stronger cloth. frylock May 2016 #79
And how about this. . . . the security on it was 64,000 times less than a dating site for married pdsimdars May 2016 #25
Our political environment is so hyper-partisan (by design) Maedhros May 2016 #45
It's amazing what President Hillary has done over the years Dem2 May 2016 #33
I thought the Republican lie... scscholar May 2016 #51
it was a brazen act of insubordination mooseprime May 2016 #55
If what you say is true, why hasn't... scscholar May 2016 #56
there isn't a more fundamental way mooseprime May 2016 #63
Here's where the bathroom comes from 2cannan May 2016 #65
Knowing this makes it seem like glinda May 2016 #95
Clinton acted outside the law. This is a criminal action and others are in prison for similar action haikugal May 2016 #53
she should never have a security clearance again grasswire May 2016 #98
War business to, and it was pay to play. Disgusting! ViseGrip May 2016 #58
Yep, and she'd probably do the same if she were President Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #59
In an X Presidents home. Lol. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #70
So, if Colin Powell had used a server in George Bush's basement, no problemo? CentralCoaster May 2016 #71
Colin Powell owns up to being exactly in Clinton's position but he is not being harassed. seabeyond May 2016 #72
I'd like to see a link to that claim, because the two scenarios are nothing alike. frylock May 2016 #81
Google it. It is out there. seabeyond May 2016 #85
Yeah.. no. frylock May 2016 #89
Ya, figured. seabeyond May 2016 #90
Figured what? That I was going to Google your claim? frylock May 2016 #91
HRC said it. glinda May 2016 #96
Of course she did. frylock May 2016 #105
No, he did not. He used private email, that is all, he did now run his own home server. Proof: CentralCoaster May 2016 #88
Here is the story told. First that they used private email. But when that didn't stick cause all seabeyond May 2016 #92
Lame. nt grasswire May 2016 #99
and took advice from Sydney amborin May 2016 #74
The ultimate affront against Obama. frylock May 2016 #83
She knowingly betrayed Obama. 840high May 2016 #94
Damn. Imagine what she could do with Air Force One. /nt yardwork May 2016 #78
Somebody who is working all day and all night treestar May 2016 #87
Server in basement not helpful to doing homework. There's only one reason to do it. CentralCoaster May 2016 #93
Clinton Email Scandal Timeline cantbeserious May 2016 #101
I work for a university, and operate under laws that require transparency boobooday May 2016 #102
Same here. It's unthinkable, and she takes no reponsibility, shows no remorse whatsoever. CentralCoaster May 2016 #103
She laughs about it. She thinks it's funny. Wiped it? Like with a cloth? Really, Madam Secretary? CentralCoaster May 2016 #104
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