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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Clinton ran the business of this country on personally owned equipment in the basement of her home. [View all]CincyDem
(6,458 posts)47. Thanks for the edit.
I appreciate that you guys haven't voted out there. Given the current climate, in spite of best efforts of prior states, it is highly likely that HRC is going to be the democratic nominee for president in 2016.
I hate to say it but I'm a pragmatist. When the ball was in my court, I did all that I could do to support a different primary candidate. I voted. I phone banked. I donated. But in the end, I didn't prevail. So, given the choice between HRC and any republican that draws breath, I pick HRC. Now some might call that rewarding bad behavior but I like to think of it as avoiding complete and total anarchy with the like of Trump, Cruz, Kasich (who I know well) or whomever else the rethugs decide to pull out of their racist, sexist, homophobic butts. I'm not going to stay home because that's as much a vote as going to the polls and punching up a republican.
As to your specific concerns, I don't disagree with you that it makes for a bumpier road and I'm not ready yet to label it "sinister". That's a word that I reserve for my enemies (and they usually have a capital R after their names). HRC isn't my enemy. She's my second choice and it a world of realities, sometimes second choice is the best choice given the facts on the ground.
I think we're a long way from really knowing the facts of what Powell or Rice may have "done". I'm sure that Bushco buried more than one computer out somewhere in the deep ocean for far more nefarious reasons. HRC is a republican lab specimen that's been under the microscope for 20 years. They've seen her coming for more than a decade. As a result, I think we tend to over focus on things that Republicans want us to focus on rather than thing that make her a democrat.
Is she the "best" democrat...maybe not...but she's OUR democrat and until we can wrap our minds around that, Republicans can go to bed every night with a little grin believing that their decades of anti-HRC messaging is coming home to roost.
Some will tell me I'm caving in, giving up, throwing in the towel and - as a result - I am complicit in the country's rightward move. Yeah, right. I call bullshit on that accusation. Complicity is staying home because you (in general, not you specifically) didn't have enough people on your side of the vote so you want to pout and "teach her a lesson". I think the tuition payment is too high to take that class.
I'm also reminded of the psychology study that found 80%+ of questions are really statements that the questioner doesn't really want to own. I don't find wiping the hard drives to be a problem and I don't have to wonder about it.
In all your wondering, have you come to any conclusions about why she might have a private company wipe it ?
Again, thanks for the edit and I hope none of this feels attacking. Not my intent.
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Clinton ran the business of this country on personally owned equipment in the basement of her home. [View all]
CentralCoaster
May 2016
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Why could she not just do as Powell and Rice did? Why did she install her own private equipment?
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#2
And, by "her own private equipment" you meant that UNsecure, UNencrypted server
pdsimdars
May 2016
#29
I hadn't thought about section G before... The FBI could very well be framing this as a *conspiracy*
JudyM
May 2016
#38
Who do you think the bulk of voters are? They are Gen Xers and baby boomers who lived through . . .
brush
May 2016
#67
These Independents and same people who support Sanders now already know these things.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#69
Independents are not a monolith. As I said, some are right-leaning and likely to go repug, some . .
brush
May 2016
#73
No but she did have the ambassodor's travel itinnerary in Libya on that server.
pdsimdars
May 2016
#28
We're expected to ignore it, and to reject the candidate with a better chance of beating the GOP.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#6
And the evidence we have points to different conclusions, not good ones for the candidate.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#21
At least if she had used a Google, Yahoo or MS email account there would have been more security.
2cannan
May 2016
#31
The Romanian guy the FBI just extradicted said SEVERAL governments hacked her server...
onecaliberal
May 2016
#75
Try reading things. It's everywhere. Why the hell do you think they extradicted him?
onecaliberal
May 2016
#80
So you have NO CLUE what the actual facts in the case are. That COMPLETELY figures. #Blocked
onecaliberal
May 2016
#84
Her "Home" is a near fortress guarded by Secret Service, and State Dept security!
mackdaddy
May 2016
#36
hence the internet getting wallpapered with "Rice and Powell also had separate email accounts!"
MisterP
May 2016
#7
Most powerful nation on the planet, head of state sez, "let's put a server in my basement".
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#8
How is it really different from Colin Powell using a personal email account for government business?
BootinUp
May 2016
#10
Personal email accounts are managed, saved, archived on large commercial servers, not in your home.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#13
She's already the weaker candidate in the GE. The GOP will use this to make her weaker.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#20
And on the emergecy occassions they use a private email account they are required to copy it
pdsimdars
May 2016
#32
Formef AG Mukasey said Obama said Hillary was careless with the emails, and previously she was
pdsimdars
May 2016
#35
The e-mail account of the Secretary of State is hardly "the business of this country"
Tarc
May 2016
#17
Official business conducted over email is indeed "the business of this country"
thesquanderer
May 2016
#26
re: "And then having the gall to decide for us which emails to release and which to delete?"
thesquanderer
May 2016
#24
Why did she take the server to be wiped by a contractor before delivering it to the FBI?
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#30
Hey, did you know that when she left the Senate, somehow ALL the email from when she
pdsimdars
May 2016
#37
And how about this. . . . the security on it was 64,000 times less than a dating site for married
pdsimdars
May 2016
#25
Clinton acted outside the law. This is a criminal action and others are in prison for similar action
haikugal
May 2016
#53
So, if Colin Powell had used a server in George Bush's basement, no problemo?
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#71
Colin Powell owns up to being exactly in Clinton's position but he is not being harassed.
seabeyond
May 2016
#72
I'd like to see a link to that claim, because the two scenarios are nothing alike.
frylock
May 2016
#81
No, he did not. He used private email, that is all, he did now run his own home server. Proof:
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#88
Here is the story told. First that they used private email. But when that didn't stick cause all
seabeyond
May 2016
#92
Server in basement not helpful to doing homework. There's only one reason to do it.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#93
Same here. It's unthinkable, and she takes no reponsibility, shows no remorse whatsoever.
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#103
She laughs about it. She thinks it's funny. Wiped it? Like with a cloth? Really, Madam Secretary?
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#104