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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: DU Poll: Third Way or FDR? [View all]

Baobab

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28. Here is the problem, the system is already fixed and has been since the 1990s
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

to basically make all of the New Deal type programs, as well as any new public monopolies like health care or education, forbidden.

But they still had to work out the so called "disciplines on domestic regulation" and that has taken 20 years.

One of the main stated purposes of the WTO is helping poor countries get rich like us.. by privatizing everything (which facilitates the extractive industries which are the main point) In echange they get jobs.

Or are supposed to get jobs.

So at Doha, Hong Kong, Cancun, Bali and most recently Nairobi. the Least Developed Countries basically engaged in an incredibly lengthy back and forth with the Developed Countries over a substantial development agenda, the DDA. Part of the DDA, the carrot part - the payoff for the developing countries is Services liberalisation which is a way to lower wages and funnel money to corporations both here and in the developing world - money that would otherwise be spent on wages to "overpaid" developed country indigenous workers like those in the US and EU. Since its temporary its not immigration, its an intra corporate transfer- The rules in any country have to be conformed to be "no more burdensome than necessary to ensure the quality of the service" basically allow corporations to treat many countries as their global job pool, and because the wages are lower in some countries than others they are expected to get a lot of work, while the wages equalize out to some equilibrium point between the higher and the lower extremes- at least in theory- as the GATS mandates privatization of big chunks of the public sector, things like hospitals schools, and IT- when government money is involved and the following test of "For the purposes of this Agreement… Also, infrastructure construction. (Also the EU will get access to bid on those jobs through TTIP)

What is the scope of GATS (the 1994 deal that started the process of banning the New Deal type stimulus) "Services" of course..

One definition of services seems to be "everything that you cannot drop on your foot" - However the 'official" definition is basically everything that doesnt get ecluded by very narrow exclusions, plus the positive list and "specific commitments"- OR in the case of TiSA a "negative list" that basically says "all service sectors and modes of supply" are included unless they are explicitly excluded now!

Official 2 part test from GATS of what is privatized and what is exempted by virtue of being public services (supplied as an exercise of governmental authority).:

(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;

(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers."

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So, lots of jobs may be put on their big poker table, for now decades , developing countries have haggled with the developed countries- for those "Mode Four" jobs which are supposed to become available to the lowest bidding firms.

But so far the utilization has remained well under 100k jobs a year in the US under GATS Mode Four.

Its worth reading up on this because our leaders are not being honest with us, obviously, and so overnight the situation could change, and if the WTO rules that for example, quotas are not permissible, a question that is before them right now..

it could potentially become huge - and lower wages a lot.

DU Poll: Third Way or FDR? [View all] silvershadow Apr 2016 OP
why are the Clinton supporters not voting? hollysmom Apr 2016 #1
The Correct the Record trolls don't work the night shift? Unicorn Apr 2016 #13
Yet, you just joined on Wednesday. grossproffit Apr 2016 #18
Thanks for warning me. Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
There feelings get hurt easily. They are cocooning now in insular little spaces where they can silvershadow Apr 2016 #27
Because they want Trump to win. cui bono Apr 2016 #37
Because the poll wasn't rigged in advance. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #39
Provide evidence of Third Way's position, please brooklynite Apr 2016 #2
Public domain. Use it to learn. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #3
Don't be fooled by this one. TM99 Apr 2016 #11
I know it. Sometimes I explain myself over and over as if I don't know so the information silvershadow Apr 2016 #14
While Clinton says she supports social justice within limits she is a strong advocate of rhett o rick Apr 2016 #4
Righteous. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #7
Brooklynite *IS* the wealthy. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author insta8er Apr 2016 #8
Hillary Clinton is a neo-liberal. Third Way is a form of neo-liberalism. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #16
Read this: Baobab Apr 2016 #33
Good god. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #5
Some products and services are too big for the market to efficiently handle. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #6
Plus she supports the TPP, in which the Corporate State further strengthens. Good post.nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #10
Climate change is a huge opportunity to sell people water, drugs for new diseases Baobab Apr 2016 #34
They already banned a lot of bans and they have to hide that. Baobab Apr 2016 #35
See also: false dilemma Tarc Apr 2016 #9
So tell us oh wise one, TM99 Apr 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #15
So are you stalking me now? TM99 Apr 2016 #20
I believe, both times, you are the one that is responding to me Tarc Apr 2016 #21
But I am not bringing up shit TM99 Apr 2016 #22
Not a concern Tarc Apr 2016 #23
I certainly won't speak for Tarc, but I'll tell you my third option. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #42
This scenario won't ever occur. TM99 Apr 2016 #43
Sorry, I don't understand your response. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #44
Corporations have been legally "persons" since the 1600s Recursion Apr 2016 #24
Having run into to you from time to time, all I have to say is: Well, then, they damn sure silvershadow Apr 2016 #25
Not so,corpprate personhood is fairly recent. maybe the 19th century. Baobab Apr 2016 #31
Corporations are created by the filing of documents. They do not feel pain, cry, or laugh. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #32
I said "person", not "human" Recursion Apr 2016 #38
A corporation does not need to be called a person in order to be sued. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #41
Thank you for this poll. chervilant Apr 2016 #26
Here is the problem, the system is already fixed and has been since the 1990s Baobab Apr 2016 #28
At least part of this is THE problem alright. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #30
Great post. Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #36
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #29
Bump for day shift. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #40
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