2016 Postmortem

FourScore

(9,704 posts) Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:00 AM Apr 2016

Am I the only Bernie supporter who is NOT thrilled about what happened in NV? [View all]

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Bernie has said over and over that he never wants to win an election through voter suppression. I could be wrong, but it looks to me as though shenanigans happened.

Right now there are allegations flying all around. Apparently, this got sent out to the delegates (not clear by whom):

Then, only Bernie supporters were contacted and told they did indeed need to be there (probably by a Bernie organizer). The caucus chair of Clark County has been fired - not sure why...but I think it's about forwarding an internal email with sensitive Clinton info.

It's dirty. It's icky. Bernie had nothing to do with it; just like Hillary had nothing to do with the AZ disaster.

And how many more delegates did it really get us? Is it worth it? Honestly, is it?

It just ain't right.

A vote is sacred. Always.

FELLOW BERNIE SUPPORTERS - This is OUR revolution. He has said over and over, it's not about him, it's about US. Is this who we are? Really? Because it's not who I am. Are we going to complain about what happened in Massachusetts and Arizona, but be gleeful about this in NV? We shouldn't get to pick and choose our moral outrage.

I know I'm going to get beat up like all hell for this, but bring it on, because I know I'm on the right side this time.

In THIS case, I'm not on Bernie's side; I'm not on Hillary's side; I'm on the side of VOTER INTEGRITY!!

Shit! Bring it on!

EDIT: My preference at this point would be to delete this thread. However, there is so much discussion, that I will leave it for a bit longer. Clearly, the issue here is mostly that I do not understand the caucus process. But I believe I will delete it soon as I do not want my post in any way to reflect badly on the Bernie supporters who worked so hard for this win. Additionally, the email sent out (posted in this OP) appears to reflect the actual rules (see post #60 from RichVRichV). I will say, however, I am not a big fan of the caucus process.

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Am I the only Bernie supporter who is NOT thrilled about what happened in NV? [View all] FourScore Apr 2016 OP

Fuggedabout it. Who sent around that notice? highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #1

Unclear. Reported in the Las Vegas Sun. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #3

Let's put it this way. I'm pretty sure it was not the Sanders campaign, at least by recent history. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #8

Looks like Clark County Democrats did krawhitham Apr 2016 #13

Interesting. All I can say is I'm proud of Bernie supporters who organized & got this result! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #21

That appears to be the same folks who ousted Christine Kramer as their Credentials Chair. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #22

Seriously? Jeez. Somebody needs to now oust them. FourScore Apr 2016 #53

On 2nd thought, maybe Bernie supporters were better prepared for shenanigans, based on the past... highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #40

I'd rather have AZ. I don't think this completely filled the karma debt on that one. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #54

I agree. There are still efforts to do something. Not sure how effective they could be, but... highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #67

There really needs to be a re-vote. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #68

Left this out. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #71

Already signed it! And made an OP about it here at DU! FourScore Apr 2016 #72

Well... revbones Apr 2016 #2

It was to Clinton supporters. Nice try fun n serious Apr 2016 #35

Right. I agree and you should re-read my comment. revbones Apr 2016 #42

It looks like Bernie supporters got that notice and phone banked to make sure that people showed up Kalidurga Apr 2016 #4

I Went By The Sanders Campaign Office In Seattle scottie55 Apr 2016 #41

Read the thread the evidence is there fun n serious Apr 2016 #45

Good Kalidurga Apr 2016 #65

The Nevada caucuses were royally fucked NV Whino Apr 2016 #5

Not only do we need to know who sent out that flyer SheilaT Apr 2016 #6

Me too. But I'm not sure exactly what happened because there were a bunch of accusations about Blue Meany Apr 2016 #7

Thank you. I needed that. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #10

It appears they swapped delegates and alternates. HassleCat Apr 2016 #9

She was removed. Clinton Supporters complained.. fun n serious Apr 2016 #36

Here is the email Hillary sent to her delegates krawhitham Apr 2016 #11

That's not what was forwarded though. Here's the complaint from Hillary for America: FourScore Apr 2016 #17

Ironic in that SwampG8r Apr 2016 #85

There's a video on DU of something related to this. smiley Apr 2016 #86

That's obviously not an email. PassingFair Apr 2016 #88

I think the primaries need to be revamped top to bottom...too much room for shady business. bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #12

I have no taste for this anti-democratic behavior no matter who's behind it Prism Apr 2016 #14

It was not dirty. kiva Apr 2016 #15

Thanks for being there Hydra Apr 2016 #19

I am so sorry, kiva. I do not mean to disparage you and your commitment today. FourScore Apr 2016 #24

We're good. kiva Apr 2016 #25

I'm glad you were. Maybe I'm just not a fan of caucuses. But they're better than electronic voting!! FourScore Apr 2016 #27

The Same Thing Happened noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #48

Thank you for that information. FourScore Apr 2016 #51

No, Bernie also kept Washoe County. kiva Apr 2016 #56

Really? One of the links someone provided said Hillary got it. So confusing. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #58

Clark County has the largest population, with Wahshoe a distant second, kiva Apr 2016 #61

Where did you read that? Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #59

Someone in this thread posted it at this link: FourScore Apr 2016 #66

The "icky" thing is that employees had to caucus at their places of work snagglepuss Apr 2016 #83

+1 and Thank You! dchill Apr 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author FourScore Apr 2016 #47

Right on. I'm very, very proud of the Bernie supporters as well! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #62

Thank you. 840high Apr 2016 #81

There is no shenanigans here. This is sheer carelessness that should have been caught. snagglepuss Apr 2016 #16

There is clear shannanigans fun n serious Apr 2016 #38

Umm - no. enlightenment Apr 2016 #18

Look at the first part of the sentence in front of part you highlighted. pugetres Apr 2016 #20

I'm guessing not. dchill Apr 2016 #34

hmmm pugetres Apr 2016 #49

Just an emotional overreaction, I'll wager. dchill Apr 2016 #73

Caucuses suck. It is what it is, you win one or you lose one. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Autumn Apr 2016 #23

I read that notice went out to Bernie supporters. Plus, I wonder if this is a dirty trick to smear Skwmom Apr 2016 #26

Very important points!! n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #32

Really? shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #46

If I understood it correctly. It's a little convoluted. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #50

+1 Thanks for posting Red Oak Apr 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author TDale313 Apr 2016 #29

really the voter registration in Wisconsin and North Carolina look like Mary Mac Apr 2016 #30

It smells like a trick intended to work against Bernie that bit the perpetrators in the ass. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #33

I feel bad about it. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #37

Yes!!! n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #43

No you aren't the only one noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #39

I despise caucuses. joshcryer Apr 2016 #44

Caucus Not Stolen noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #52

Clark County went for Clinton by 10 points. joshcryer Apr 2016 #55

It is much easier to rig primary voting. Skwmom Apr 2016 #80

You can statistically test ballot elections. joshcryer Apr 2016 #84

I don't see that happening and just like with exit pollling not matching the final results Skwmom Apr 2016 #87

The same thing happened in Clinton's favor in Washoe County. FourScore Apr 2016 #57

So that makes it OK? joshcryer Apr 2016 #63

No. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #64

Turns out it's false info anyway. Bernie won Washoe. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #70

Thanks for the heads up. joshcryer Apr 2016 #74

I have been reading the rules. It appears to me the notice was absolutely correct. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #60

You read the same thing that I did! pugetres Apr 2016 #69

One thing that is most likely going on CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #75

Yes! I remember all of that with Polk County!! Weren't you the one reporting live here on DU? FourScore Apr 2016 #77

Apparently the rules permitted these events. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #76

Thank you. A very reasoned post - as always from you, JDPriestly. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #78

I hate the whole way we run primary LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #79

And publicly financed. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #82

Here's a clue as to what really happened me b zola Apr 2016 #89